what's the deal with zaino users?

You need to remember that at least one moderator on ls1.com is a Zaino distributor. That will cauase an obvious slant to what direction threads take.



I used Zaino for years and converted many people to that product. I found that it gave a great shine and protection. However, once I discovered Autopia, I found several other products that I found that I liked better.



The thing I don't like about Zaino is the attitude that many Zaino users have that all other products are vastly inferior. They point out that carnauba waxes melt at 135 or whatever degrees. They say that all other waxes contain cheap silicones and oils that are bad for your paint.



It's a great product, but it's not perfect. But, don't tell a Zaino user that.
 
5918mike said:
I think these type of people would be the same way regardless of what they used, not just cause it's Zaino.
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Scott P said:
They point out that carnauba waxes melt at 135 or whatever degrees.
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I always have to laugh at that one, and it isn't just Zaino people who say that either. I don't know of a single carnauba wax that isn't blended with other ingredients that together have a significantly higher melting point.



Everyone knows water boils at 212 degrees (at sea level) but you add coolant and pressure and you raise the point at which it will boil. Same with carnauba. Add other ingredients and the melting point is much higher.
 
Scottwax said:
I always have to laugh at that one, and it isn't just Zaino people who say that either. I don't know of a single carnauba wax that isn't blended with other ingredients that together have a significantly higher melting point.



Everyone knows water boils at 212 degrees (at sea level) but you add coolant and pressure and you raise the point at which it will boil. Same with carnauba. Add other ingredients and the melting point is much higher.
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If I want pure carnauba I'll just put my car in a bubble! ;)
 
~One man’s opinion / observations ~



Zanio fans (fanatics) or zealots, there is nothing wrong with brand loyalty but you should always keep an open mind. What does it tell you about the mind of a person that thinks/says there is nothing as good as brand X, it’s so good I refuse to try anything else.



Zanio is a good product for show cars (dependant upon paint / colour) and for a polymer sealant it’s durability is excellent



POI, melting points- Carnauba wax 181 oF, Beeswax 145 oF and solvents dependant upon it’s formulation.



~Hope this helps~



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Zaino did one thing that NXT doesn't. I could put a terry towel on my bonnet (hood), and it would slide off. That doesn't mean it's better than NXT. I started with Zaino on my new MINI Cooper--9 months ago. Two months later, I switched to NXT and haven't looked back since. I'm not a detailing professional, and can say from a lay persons point of view, in the MINI world, applying 10 or 12 coats of Zaino is just another sign of how obessive MINI owners are. For me, applying one good NXT coat, and following with daily use of Quik Detailer and occasional NXT Spray wax is all I need to keep my car shiny every single day. I admit, I have very little knowledge of other products other than what's available from consumer stores, but I do prefer using NXT for its ease of application/removal, and the wonderful affect it has on my dark metallic paint.



While I'm not a Zaino zealot, nor was I ever, it did do one good thing for the industry. It introduced new car owners to prepping our cars--from claybarring to polishing, and learning to see that there is more out there than just Turtle Wax! And for me, it gave me the background to try something that's more expensive, and not readily available here in California and a lot more application intensive, and compare that to an off the shelf product like NXT and see which I'd rather use on a weekly/monthly basis!
 
I understand that many folks like products other than Zaino. I do know that there are many Zaino folks that go over the top with their zeal for Zaino, too.



I think the same could be said for those that use other products as well. We all should remember the hype and hooplah over the new, groundbreaking, NXT.



These folks that are called Zealots exists everywhere...and you may be one yourself. Do you defend your choice of automobile with conviction? Or, is a car just a car?



I guess my peeve is that non-Zaino users, come up with all kinds of arguements about how hard Zaino is to apply, etc. Yet some have never used it. I find Zaino as easy to apply as any other polish. At least for me, the fact that Zaino does not contain silicones or abrasives is also very important.



To each their own.....I guess I find it amusing that threads about Zaino users and Zaino itself are always coming up. I suppose Zaino is still the standard that others judge themselves against.
 
OctaneGuy said:
Zaino did one thing that NXT doesn't. I could put a terry towel on my bonnet (hood), and it would slide off. That doesn't mean it's better than NXT. I started with Zaino on my new MINI Cooper--9 months ago. Two months later, I switched to NXT and haven't looked back since. I'm not a detailing professional, and can say from a lay persons point of view, in the MINI world, applying 10 or 12 coats of Zaino is just another sign of how obessive MINI owners are. For me, applying one good NXT coat, and following with daily use of Quik Detailer and occasional NXT Spray wax is all I need to keep my car shiny every single day. I admit, I have very little knowledge of other products other than what's available from consumer stores, but I do prefer using NXT for its ease of application/removal, and the wonderful affect it has on my dark metallic paint.



While I'm not a Zaino zealot, nor was I ever, it did do one good thing for the industry. It introduced new car owners to prepping our cars--from claybarring to polishing, and learning to see that there is more out there than just Turtle Wax! And for me, it gave me the background to try something that's more expensive, and not readily available here in California and a lot more application intensive, and compare that to an off the shelf product like NXT and see which I'd rather use on a weekly/monthly basis!
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Very well said OctaneGuy :up
 
bretfraz said:
I think for people who make a living detailing cars, Zaino may not be a popular choice due to its relatively high cost, lack of bulk sales, and limited distribution. I know when I detailed for a living, I wanted products that were real easy to obtain and available in large amounts (quarts and gallons). Managing costs is critical to maximizing profits.



For detailers who have a small clientele who are willing to pay for the better products, Zaino is a better choice and probably a "must have" in their inventory. About 50% of my clients request or demand Zaino so I make sure I always have it.



Obviously Zaino and other high end boutique products are targeted to enthusiasts where money and local availability are not an issue. The serious car nut doesn't care about how much time it takes to apply a few coats. And the detailer who is spending 6-12 hours per car isn't going to worry about spending a few minutes mixing products. But if time has to be managed closely to maximize income and profit, you're prolly better off using light polishes and glazes that are quickly applied/removed so you can get the car done and go on to the next one.
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I use a wide array of products, but I keep Zaino in my stash because it does get requested by some of my higher end clients. Its not like Zaino is expensive, I could order some Z1 and Z2 and be set for the whole summer and when you're doing Zaino details for other people, they are usually $200 plus jobs, so it is cost effective.



I will say this, to my knowledge, Zaino is always on the leading edge of car-care chemistry. Maybe Menzerna with their FMJ is there too, but compared to an outdated formula like Klasse, which is still great in its own respect, its more forward thinking.
 
Interesting thoughts, Greg. I've never had anyone request Zaino though, except an odd e-mail here and there from those who've used it in the past, twice I think. I think I get better results in less time with what I use though. If your clients request it though and you do have some on hand or they have some they want you to use, it is better to acquiesce to their wishes than to lose their business.



If someone calls me and wants me to use Zaino, as long as they have some on hand, no problem, but unless they intend to be a long term client, it wouldn't be worth ordering $80 worth of product for one detail.
 
I cater Scott, as I am sure you do as well, to people who don't know jack about detailing, but to people who are also very well informed, but simply do not have the time to invest into their show cars, track cars, and daily drivers that they would like. A lot of my advertising is targeted towards car enthusiasts. Zaino is one of those products along with Griots that has more of a national recognition aside from the standard locally available products and manufacturers. Often times, they have read about Zaino and that it is a time consuming effort, so if they have the capital, might as well just pay someone else to do the dirty work. I had one guy call me and was like, I ordered it, but am scared to apply it. Come do it for me, so in that case, I think its a good practice to know about and have first hand experience with it. We all have seen your work and I am sure your clients don't complain about not having Zaino or whatever they think is the best thing. I guess because I am still growing my clientel, I like to have the ability to cater to any need or demand.
 
Like I said, if there was enough demand from my customers, I'd give them what they want...except for the Dawn wash, that is. Since most of my customers never let their cars go past 2-3 months without waxing, I don't need anything that will last 6+ months. Honestly, my customers ask me more about Meguiars than anything else because it is a well known name.
 
I used to be a confirmed Meguiar's user, especially No. 20, but I switched when it became apparent that I couldn't really layer No. 20 and I was looking for something with good durability. I tried Zaino and never looked back.



Does that mean I put down people who either don't or won't use Zaino? Of course not!! That would be an ignorant way to react to other's opinions. Period. Use what you like, period.



As far as those of you who detail professionally - hell, time is money, and Zaino does require a bit more time to apply properly. I rarely, if ever, use Zaino on cars other than my own.



As far as saying that you would never use Zaino, all I can say is "never say never". I haven't been on these boards for quite some time, and was shocked to see that, when I returned to Autopia, Scottwax was using a Porter Cable orbital polisher!! I remember when you said you were a confirmed hand applied person when it came to detailing cars, Scott. Only thing I can say is "never say never".



As far as this whole damn thread, and it's title, "what's the deal with zaino users?" - this whole thread has become a bit stupid. What the heck do you care about someone else's stuck-in-the-mud-and-ain't-budging opinion, anyway? Ignore the moron and move on!!



My $.02 worth.
 
Len_A said:
As far as this whole damn thread, and it's title, "what's the deal with zaino users?" - this whole thread has become a bit stupid. What the heck do you care about someone else's stuck-in-the-mud-and-ain't-budging opinion, anyway? Ignore the moron and move on!!



My $.02 worth.
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as are most threads ;) i don't have anyone in particular i'm talking about, and i didn't when i started this thread. it's just that being a part of a board that always says, "zaino is the best," makes it hard to support or even suggest the argument that other products just might be better.



and in all honesty, without comments like the one in my quote, i think this thread has turned into a pretty good one!
 
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