Whats the best QD for maintaining Collinite 476S ?

Scottwax- I dunno how much we can generalize about LSPs not building on top of each other. When I've tested multiple applications I've always had the "more layers" section stay "LSPed" longer. When I've applied even solventy LSPs over top of "leaves stuff behind" products they never stripped that left-behind stuff. Products like FK1000P and M16 that were designed as mold-release waxes will layer, it's part of how they can work in the m-r role (the manufacturers would've loved not needing to do that, and with later m-r waxes they didn't have to, but those are crappy for detailing).

Products like Autoglym Super Resin Polish simply shouldn't layer according to the conventional wisdom, but that stuff *can* be layered and it's obvious. Applying 845 or 476S over top of 1Z Wax Polish Soft oughta remove the 1Z's fillers, but it doesn't. Doing multiple applications of Collinite makes it last longer for me despite that internet-info where the guy "proved" it can't be layered. Heh heh,I sure wouldn't waste time/effort doing such stuff had I *not* observed what I consider conclusive proof.

Lest I sound like I'm arguing, *I'm not* and I generally agree with you about just picking one LSP and using it (by itself). And I sure think that doing a wax topper on a sealant is ill-advised. But having vehicles that simply can't be corrected any more has lead me to discover some stuff about layering products.
 
Accumulator said:
The Pinnacle would *probably* be OK, but ya just never know...somebody here decided to top their (dried/cured/OK) 476S with Souveran and it messed it all up (presumably via solvent-action) and nobody expected that to cause any problems. Just gotta try a given combo and see how it turns out.

I had a case where my FK425 did *NOT* play nice with 476S, so I now avoid using that.

I'm *VERY* happy with how Meguiar's UQW works on 476S, that's what I'm now using as my Drying Aid on the '93 Audi.
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Now I had the direct opposite with FK425 no problems and worked very well, Now ONR was a different story. It felt like I was dragging sand paper across the vehicle.

Dave
 
When I hear the term maintaining...I think of products within the same family. Otherwise, you're not really maintaining...you're interfering with the chemical properties of the LSP by covering it with a completely different ecosystem. In the case of colinite, you can only hope to cover it with something outside the ecosystem that won't have a negative effect.
 
davidc said:
Now I had the direct opposite with FK425 [used on Collinite] no problems and worked very well, Now ONR was a different story. It felt like I was dragging sand paper across the vehicle...
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That problem with the FK425 only happened once, after never having been an issue before..but that one time just happened to be "one of those situations" ya know? Just an utter disaster rather than something I could shrug off. One bitten and all that..

That ONR v2.0 issue I know intimately :D Got flamed but good by some Optimum fans when I posted about it too, as in "that couldn't have happened";"you must've done something wrong"; etc. That was another case where it bit me *BADLY*, including messing up a showcar I did for a pal of mine (I suggested he use the ONR...big mistake and right before a concours). Supposedly the current version of ONR is Collinite-friendly, but I'm never buying the stuff again (no reason to with IUDJ on the market). I'm using up my ONR for household stuff rather than on the vehicles.
 
silverfox said:
When I hear the term maintaining...I think of products within the same family. Otherwise, you're not really maintaining...you're interfering with the chemical properties of the LSP by covering it with a completely different ecosystem. In the case of colinite, you can only hope to cover it with something outside the ecosystem that won't have a negative effect.
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I agree and emailed Collinite asking if the thought of developing a QD or concentrated no rinse to work with their wax crossed their minds. It was a no response.

Dave
 
davidc said:
Accumulator,
Do not use ONR on the dishes or silverware ;)

Dave
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Heh heh heh...roger that!

It does work well on lots of household surfaces though, or at least better than it works on Collinite.

I agree and emailed Collinite asking if the thought of developing a QD or concentrated no rinse to work with their wax crossed their minds. It was a no response.
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After the whole VOC-regs reformulation, I'd be surprised if they actually plan to tweak their product line much more. I mean...it stayed basically the same for decades before then, and I bet it'll stay the same from here on out.

The way UQW (spray wax) and IUDJ (rinseless) work on it, that market niche is kinda filled anyhow IMO. Both are not just compatible, they actually seem to enhance it a tiny bit.
 
Accumulator said:
That problem with the FK425 only happened once, after never having been an issue before..but that one time just happened to be "one of those situations" ya know? Just an utter disaster rather than something I could shrug off. One bitten and all that..

That ONR v2.0 issue I know intimately :D Got flamed but good by some Optimum fans when I posted about it too, as in "that couldn't have happened";"you must've done something wrong"; etc. That was another case where it bit me *BADLY*, including messing up a showcar I did for a pal of mine (I suggested he use the ONR...big mistake and right before a concours). Supposedly the current version of ONR is Collinite-friendly, but I'm never buying the stuff again (no reason to with IUDJ on the market). I'm using up my ONR for household stuff rather than on the vehicles.
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I have had the same issue with ONR. Great time saving product that cleans really well (including interiors), but seems to kill all of my LSPs. Washing is such a chore and I want to use rinse-less products to speed up the process, but I am worried that they all leave behind stuff or remove the lsp (I.e. That's why they clean so well). I need to try others to verify, but not eager to buy more and more stuff..have too much as it is. That's why I'm strongly considering Opticoating my daily...then I can use ONR or any other rinse less without having to worry about interfering with the lsp.
 
kapflaco- If you do decide to buy more stuff, you really oughta try the IUDJ. It hasn't caused any issues at all with any of my LSPs. I know I sound like *such* a fanboy for the stuff, but it sure surprised me after my QEW and ONR experiences, which had basically turned me off the whole idea of using a rinseless (for anything).
 
Accumulator said:
That's another rinseless that everybody seems happy with.
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I'll have to try both the IUDJ and this UWW. Because of you and Bence I am now a huge fan of FK1000P. Though recently I've gone all old school on my garage queen Porsche 993 and put on a few coats of P21S. I might break out the Omega Blitz wax next. If I'm not going to give the old stuff away I've decided to use it on the garage queen where durability isn't as much of an issue.
 
I also just splurged on some Bilt Hamber...for some one like me it might just be easier to conceal than try to correct. I never have time to get the DA out with a busy job, wife, and three kids under the age of 7.
 
kapflaco said:
I'll have to try both the IUDJ and this UWW. Because of you and Bence I am now a huge fan of FK1000P. Though recently I've gone all old school on my garage queen Porsche 993 and put on a few coats of P21S. I might break out the Omega Blitz wax next. If I'm not going to give the old stuff away I've decided to use it on the garage queen where durability isn't as much of an issue.
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My favorite series.....993
 
kapflaco- I'll be very interested to hear what you think of the Bilt Hamber, especially with regard to its concealing/filling abilities. I hear you on concealing vs. corrrecting even if it is a bit Autopian-heretical.

Ya know, I find it interesting that you'll be switching between P21s and the Blitz (never hear about that one any more!)...I'd expect the looks of the two waxes to be quite different. P21s was like a less-durable M16 when I tried it, never did get around to trying Blitz as its trim-staining potential worried me.
 
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