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Isn't that strange, that we, from the actual user standpoint perceive that a high quality elastic clay is entirely different from an average plastic poo? Of course, AWC's business-standpoint-filtering glasses makes the customer invisible, discriminating him/her, and forcing them/us to find other solutions, backdoors to get the product we desire. What's this if not unfair advantage?



And if AWC still finds that the two products are sooo similar, then I'd recommend for their executives that they should drive a Yugo for the rest of their lives. You know, they are utterly similar to their rides; i.e. four wheels, transparent window panels, turning steering wheel, etc., etc.
 
Everyone in this forum realizes there is only two companis who actually make the detailing clay? There is one company in China and another here in the US. 90% of the clay is made by CLay Magic. They make it for Sonus and all the rest. If you don't believe me call your clay company and ask. Their response will be " We have it made for us". But truly it is all made by two companies. Clay Magic holds the pattern.:hm
 
Eliot Ness- I don't *think* the mixing of the two sonus clays would work :think:



Crappy analogy that comes to mind: Media blasting; It'd be like mixing coarse abrasive particles with finer stuff...you'd still have the effects from the coarse abrasives (i.e., marring of paint from gray clay) despite the additional presence of milder stuff. The milder stuff might mitigate the effects somewhat but it won't be like diluting liquid chemical products when you mix them together.



randy1220- I just wish that one of the customers who specifies a particular formulation (from one of those few manufacturers) would specify exactly what I want :D
 
Randy, that info is incorrect. The two most significant clay makers are Joybond and Source Chemical; both are Japanese. Joybond is the actual manufacturer even for Clay Magic.
 
Actually there's a company in Australia who manufactures clay and a range of polishes that matches menzerna and such. They have a few US based companies who purchase it from them.
 
I have read that all clay comes from the same place and is just re-branded for different companies. Anybody know anymore about this?

Apparantely the clay is a very special polymer developed under patent and nobody else can make it anyway. I can understand there being a few different types if this is the case, but only the level of aggresiveness I would have thought?

Martin
 
SVR said:
Actually there's a company in Australia who manufactures clay and a range of polishes that matches menzerna and such. They have a few US based companies who purchase it from them.
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You sure they are "manufacture ring" the clay and not just relabeling it? What company is it?
 
Guys, just because Auto Magic holds the patents, doesn't mean they are the only ones that can manufacture clay, it doesn't have to "all come from the same place". What it means is that the clay must be made under license to Auto Magic, that is, the manufacturer must pay a license fee to AM for each bar of clay they make. So, the patent holder can make it themselves (which apparently they don't) and/or have/let other people make it, as long as the patent holder is paid an agreed upon fee.



EDIT: That doesn't mean that anyone can up and make clay, and just pay a fee later. They would need to approach the patent holder and reach an agreement under which they would make/sell it and compensate the patent holder.
 
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as far as the link about docdetail that kevin from kleencar car site, most site i found left there link to opti clay up maybe cause it will return till 2013 until then...



smarclay is cg clay is this no longer being sold has anyone talk to paul about this?

although i never tried opti clay how does it compare too smartclay?

i used smartclay but found it to be a light clay but then again used it on a vehicle with light contamination i think i have one or two more bars left of it i guess i luck out maybe ill sell it on ebay like those who sell #16 and demand it lol jk...
 
Also, shouldn't the lawsuit verdict only apply to the US and thus KEL-made clay should be available elsewhere (albiet for high shipping costs)?????
 
KEL was basically put out of business, I think. I think this was mentioned earlier in the thread (I think by Eliot Ness) that part of the judgement was $4.something million in damages, not to mention the injunction. I don't remember, but Auto Wax may have international patents that might also be affected by the judgement.



EDIT: So let's say that KEL is out of business, then the only KEL clay is what is out there in the supply chain. My understanding of the judgement is that all of that had to be turned over to AutoWax, but perhaps that was changed. So there may be plenty out there, still, although I don't think any has been manufactured for perhaps 1.5 years. Perhaps there is more internationally, or maybe less :nixweiss
 
Adams was using yellow clay that was close to if not the same as opti-clay. I am down to my last half of the Adams. I know they have now changed their clay to a grey bar that I might soon try out once all my clay runs out.
 
Automagic company sucks! And I don't know how they won the lawsuit - their clay is nothing like the KEL clay.
 
So how does Clay Magic fit into all this? I was looking around and Ive decided, after a clay nightmare this weekend, that Im going to buy a bunch of CM blue because its been recommended, widely used, and seems to be a no brainer.



The reason Im asking is on clay magics site it quotes "Clay Magic® is the original, seven patented clay bar."
 
I don't know why someone can "copy" the elastic formulation used by opti-clay and just pay automagic the extra change, and have that company in Japan make it (again...cause obviously they were already making it before)? There are lots of clays still being produced/sold (they're just mostly junk), so why can't someone just start offering the elastic-type clays again?



Man, I broke out a new bar of 4-star yesterday to remove moderate/heavy rust contamination...and man did it marr the hell out of the paint. I then grabbed an old old bar of opticlay that I had previously "retired" and it accomplished the job without noticable marring...this is exactly what I'm talking about!
 
I don't think the Erazer clays were made in Japan, I think they were made by KEL, so there is no extant manufacturing facility that could be turned on again.
 
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