We need better clay

Bence said:
Wooow, a quick reply box!!!



Back to topic; I love the Opticlay as well. It is/was made by K.E.L. aka Kucala Enterprises (Erazer)...



Need I say that we want this clay back??? Someone please enlighten AWC to get off, to let K.E.L. make their excellent elastic clay again.



I don't mind if they market it as Car Doh or packaged as little balls, and they only indicate an alternative use as detailing clay... Who cares? We want Kucala's elastic clay!!!
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I've never used this Opticlay. How does it compare to Clay Magic? Can it be that that much better and how?
 
David Fermani said:
I usually do the complete vehicle all at one time so so wouldn't want to clay anything at that time. It wouldn't hurt to clay, but if a customer isn't paying for it(in my case), you wouldn't do it..
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Heh heh, I sure agree with the "not paid for, don't do" approach; gotta stay in business :D



Regarding the "whole vehicle" thing, I did the "clay while.." approach when I ABCed my minivan...heh heh, it *did* make for a bit of activity on my part ;)



SVR said:
Well I ain't as good as you buddy. Your the master...Ultra fine at every wash accum - the USA must be a very contaminate filled place.
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Ah, well, I'm a lot more of a master at claying than I am with the rotary, that's for sure :D Probably because I *do* do it at every wash. That's why I was so shocked when I got some marring with the new formulation of Sonus gray, thought I'd lost my touch or something and was pretty :eek: about it.



I use the clay all the time because it cleans stuff off without messing with my LSP the way tar remover/etc. would. With my ultra-gentle wash techniques it's not uncommon for some kind of [stuff] to be stuck to the paint after I've washed a panel and the clay is my preferred way of dealing with it. I must be keeping Sonus in business with all the Glyde and Ultra Fine I use! Heh heh, it sure *is* like washing off soap when I clean the Glyde off. And yeah, I dunno how people use plain water without having problems, but I'm not gonna :nono them as I do all sorts of stuff that other people think is nuts (like claying at every wash :o ).
 
David Fermani said:
I've never used this Opticlay. How does it compare to Clay Magic? Can it be that that much better and how?
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David,



It is stretchy, has a more dense, tight structure, yet it is pliable enough. The stretchiness makes the pull-&-refold routine a joy. It doesn't like to stick to the hands as much as CM's clay, and it has another significant advantage: it is more rsistant against the usual soap mixes. As you may have experienced, certain plastic type clays can turn into a disgusting, turd-like substance if you clay-on-the-fly (while washing). The Opti clay becomes just a little bit softer but keeps its effectivity.



Only drawback is the gray color - you can see the contaminants on a lighter colored clay.
 
Whats so bad about the Pinnacle clay? I used it last weekend and liked it. I believe the orginal poster said it did not slide easy and feel apart. I found it slid easy with my DP lube and it did not fall apart.



I'm no clay expert I have used the Sonus grey (too strong I think...scuffing), the green not bad just not strong enough. Just my thoughts.
 
Someone is always in search of the unatainable product::think2 :hairpull A wax with a better shine, a sealant with longer protection, a dressing with no sling, a wheel cleaner that doesn't require agitating, a polish that removes every defect with no swirls, a wash mit/micro fiber that doesn't scratch, a backing plate that doesn't break......etc, etc, etc - All with the most expensive price tag and wanting to pay close to nothing. When will this madness ever end? My product is better than your product, blah, blah, blah:argue At the end of the day all's that matters is how the end result looks, how long it took, how much it cost you and how happy your car is. :goodjob
 
Hey, I notice that the Smart Clay picture in the ACC store looks a lot like the old Opti etc. clays, and they even show it stretched and twisted in an "elastic" manner. Anybody ever use the Smart Clay?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Hey, I notice that the Smart Clay picture in the ACC store looks a lot like the old Opti etc. clays, and they even show it stretched and twisted in an "elastic" manner. Anybody ever use the Smart Clay?
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It is the old elastic clay made by KEL. The stock is nearly gone (maybe 1,000 units left).
 
Bence said:
David,



It is stretchy, has a more dense, tight structure, yet it is pliable enough. The stretchiness makes the pull-&-refold routine a joy. It doesn't like to stick to the hands as much as CM's clay, and it has another significant advantage: it is more rsistant against the usual soap mixes. As you may have experienced, certain plastic type clays can turn into a disgusting, turd-like substance if you clay-on-the-fly (while washing). The Opti clay becomes just a little bit softer but keeps its effectivity.



Only drawback is the gray color - you can see the contaminants on a lighter colored clay.
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Does it compare to Meg's white Quick Clay ?, its pretty elastic and resistant to soap and lube.
 
David Fermani said:
Someone is always in search of the unatainable product..
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What frustrates *me* is that there were earlier generations of the Sonus/Block clays that I found absolutely *perfect*...but they got changed/discontinued/etc. :(
 
How can I tell if the Sonus block (grey I assume) is the good stuff? I just bought some from Danase and while it works it is more aggressive then the "medium grade" its advertised as. Pretty hard stuff.... not very elastic and just looking at it it looks grainy.
 
gbackus said:
FWIW, the Ford numbered stuff is relabled ABC.
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For iron and the particle fallout the only real help is using a product which contains oxyasilic (sp?) acid such as Pollution Sollution by Ardex. The ABC system which I use is good only for cars with minor comination it is reall pretty gentle but a good product.



Now the acid will do some good at removing the tough stuff but it has downsides. It will fade black trim, it has to be disposed of properly and even about a year down the road it can begin to cloud chrome and paint. It used in a lot of places that have rail cars.



As far as clay I get my 7oz bars from the Showcar/ Ardex rep for $27, they are medium and I like them. Durable and pliable.
 
35TH LE said:
How can I tell if the Sonus block (grey I assume) is the good stuff? I just bought some from Danase and while it works it is more aggressive then the "medium grade" its advertised as. Pretty hard stuff.... not very elastic and just looking at it it looks grainy.
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Yer, I got some of those Block from Danase too, now I am wondering if I should crack open the Block or the SFX Ultrafine.
 
Oh god not oxalic acid fallout remover. Melts your hands just about plus it softens paint making it easier to scratch and corrodes or stains uncoated metals and etches glass.



NASTY!
 
Yep, oxalic acid is nasty. But luckily, the FK1 decon doesn't contain it yet it's pretty strong. But I think a good clay will always be on my list.
 
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