Wax vs Sealant, Which is Better for UV Protection
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Reflectiveauto
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Only if the Opti Coat Pro version is applied by a Authorized Detailer and it was applied properly since the Opti Coat Pro can be kinda difficult to apply so there will be no streaks or the entire process is correctly done. Did you know if you return the product before its 3 month satisfaction guarantee you can not order it again? I wonder why when they said that no one has ever returned a Opti Coat Coating? Because 3 months is not long enough to test a product like that and if they don't like it past the 3 months they are SOL.
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
My comment in this post isn't directly related to the topic at hand, forgive me for this slight derail.
Reflectiveauto, I'm sure you have noticed that many of your posts have been met with a bit of resistance, this is very evident in this thread. It's my belief that most of the members making comments here are not necessarily opposed to the product you are using. It's probably a very good product though I say this having never used it. However since you have used the term, fan boy, I'll throw this thought out. You can do with it as you please.
I believe the resistance you might perceive is because of the fan boy attitude that seems to follow your posts in virtually every thread in which you post. There is a huge difference between saying I've found a good product that is working very well for me and saying here's the best product created and nothing else compares. Though you haven't said this directly the sentiment is very obvious. I sincerely believe that this is what most people derive from your posts. I think it's hurting your credibility. If you don't have credibility amongst your peers you'll never be a great detailer. Not that you are asking me but I think you'll find better success in the convincing of members as to the merits of Nanoskin if you would keep that in mind.
I mean no offense in this post. That said, I think most people know that I pretty well say what's on my mind. I've made this statement before and still maintain this belief. No one manufacturer makes the best of everything and that includes Nanoskin. Your posts leave us with the impression that if it isn't Nanoskin then it just isn't anything at all. We have a remarkable collection of top notch detailers on this forum that simply know this isn't true. There are tons of really good products at virtually any price point available. Best is simply too subjective. What works well for one may not for another. What works well under one set of circumstances may not work well in another. Spend more time being happy that you've found a product line you really like and less time "selling" it to everyone else. I don't mean selling in the literal sense as I'm sure you know that would be a violation of forum rules.
Now stepping down from my soap box. Peace.
Reflectiveauto
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No its not..
Optic Coat has been said to be applied as a 1 step as a 1 step fix from I have seen and read on posts from Opti Coat Detailers. Is that how I would apply it?....No Way...
I apply the NanoSkin Shield Coating only after washing the car, decontaminating the paint, Paint Correction, Polishing then using the Nanoskin Wax then only then do I apply the NanoSkin Shield Coating after the wax...I don't take short coats like other detailers looking to make a easy $600 (more or less) by just using Opti Coat and not doing a complete prep....I wont screw over my clients over like that
Reflectiveauto
New member
My comment in this post isn't directly related to the topic at hand, forgive me for this slight derail.
Reflectiveauto, I'm sure you have noticed that many of your posts have been met with a bit of resistance, this is very evident in this thread. It's my belief that most of the members making comments here are not necessarily opposed to the product you are using. It's probably a very good product though I say this having never used it. However since you have used the term, fan boy, I'll throw this thought out. You can do with it as you please.
I believe the resistance you might perceive is because of the fan boy attitude that seems to follow your posts in virtually every thread in which you post. There is a huge difference between saying I've found a good product that is working very well for me and saying here's the best product created and nothing else compares. Though you haven't said this directly the sentiment is very obvious. I sincerely believe that this is what most people derive from your posts. Not that you are asking me but I think you'll find better success in the convincing of members as to the merits of Nanoskin if you would keep that in mind.
I mean no offense in this post. That said, I think most people know that I pretty well say what's on my mind. I've made this statement before and still maintain this belief. No one manufacturer makes the best of everything and that includes Nanoskin. Your posts leave us with the impression that if it isn't Nanoskin then it just isn't anything at all. We have a remarkable collection of top notch detailers on this forum that simply know this isn't true. There are tons of really good products at virtually any price point available. Best is simply too subjective. What works well for one may not for another. What works well under one set of circumstances may not work well in another. Spend more time being happy that you've found a product line you really like and less time "selling" it to everyone else. I don't mean selling in the literal sense as I'm sure you know that would be a violation of forum rules. Peace.
Im not selling anything...I don't make claims. My issue is with products that make "Unproven Claims" and people buy that claim like beer at 99% off. Do I think NanoSkin is the product that will save the world? No..I never made that claim, but it fits my clients and my needs for this environment and its works great. Btw Im posting this from year 2035 in the future and the Nanoskin Shield is working perfect.
WRONG!!! Do some research!!!
You must correct the paint before opti coat, Cquartz, Gtech...OR any coating. Its not a 1 step, 1 fix. Good luck to you and your business
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
You don't make claims? Are you serious? :rofl
Read my post carefully on the selling part of this post, it was well qualified. There should be little room for confusion.
Reflectiveauto
New member
Dude..do you not read or understand what Im saying? I'll spell it out for you in simple terms you can undertand..."THERE ARE FORUMS WHERE THERE ARE OPTI COAT/GUARD DETAILERS DOING DETAILS WITHOUT ANY PAINT CORRECTION AT ALL. THEY ARE WASHING, DECONING AND THEN APPLYING THE OC/OG AND CALLING IT THE DAY FOR BIG BUCKS AND THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT...WELL IF YOU WANT TO SCREW OVER THE UNSUSPECTING CUSTOMER" I wont do that...I have a certain process that I follow.
TacoHerder
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So because there are some idiots out there not taking proper steps that means the product was designed for that?
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
The first thing to consider is that all wax and sealant coatings are microscopically thin. How thin? So much they cannot really be measured with traditional methods but must be applied to special glass discs and tested for light refraction. Ultimately we are talking sub micron levels of thickness or about .000018 on an inch... (3/10ths of a micron)
Yes, testing has been done to confirm "layers". In most cases, not all, both paint sealants and waxes exhibit maximum thickness after 2 coats. In many cases, 2 coats produces a thickness that is more than twice the first coat. This universally has fallen apart after the second coat. In some cases a third coat will product almost no change in thickness (slight +- variances aside). Usually we find that a third coat will actually begin to reduce the thickness of the coating, likely because of solvent and friction.
Now we are talking about layering two identical chemicals on a glass disc. When we factor in the fact that we may experience a more permanent bond to paint (vs. glass) and product curing should be more complete on paint (vs. glass) then it becomes feasible that multiple coats have a greater benefit.
Testing, using feeling, looks, water beading contact angles, etc, can prove that some products stick on top of others and some do not.
Reflectiveauto
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That is not what Im saying or ever said...People are being sucked into the false illusion that it is a "Permanent Coating". Even the person I talked to @ Optimunm said it should be good for 2 years with proper washing and products can take it off. That does not sound very permanent to me. Btw who keeps their car forever? The avg person keeps a car for 3 years..if they spent lets say $500-$700 for this coating..looks like a waste to me plus when they trade it in they will not get that money back in on the trade in..dealerships don't care...but again this is about false claims since they cant be proven.
TacoHerder
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You are loosing credibility with every post... You claimed the steps are different and one product can be apied in 1 step. That's not true, you are suppose to take all the proper prep work as you would if applying nanskin. Just because someone is applying the product wrong doesn't mean it can work. So in actuality your statement about one can be applied with 1 step is false.
Reflectiveauto
New member
Ok...your next...take a step back and read my posts..I never said Opti Coat was a 1 Step or meant to be used as that...I have said several times that other detailers are skipping steps and just applying OC/OG as a 1 step. They are cutting corners but its doing the customers a injustice...how many times do I have to repeat myself? Why do I feel Im talking to my kids?
As for the NanoSkin Shield Coating...I do a full Stage 4 detail before I apply that coating on and only then...I don't wash the car then apply the coating like OC/OG detailer do.
tropicsteve
New member
:horse: let's face it guys, some people just don't get it.
Reflectiveauto
New member
What that "No One" can prove that OC is a permanent coating? That's my point all the long.
Orinda Auto Detail
Opti Coat Pro Certified
Steve your my hero!
CH.Detailing
What's a detail?
I don't even... Seriously?!
Orinda Auto Detail
Opti Coat Pro Certified
You've actually changed your point a bunch of time in this post.... From Wax first then sealant, to Opti coat cant last for ever, to It actually the guys out the ripping people off by over selling opti coat suck, back to opticoat cant be forever.... You just seem confused. I read what your "stage 4" detail is and I'm sure the cars come out nice but i'd bet a million they are far from perfect. You said your self you did this as a hobby for a while then recently started full time right? Well I've been doing this full time for about 15 years and have thousands of cars under my belt and never try to force my favorite products on anyone. 5 hours you said to get that BRZ all dialed in to the point you show it off like its the best detail anyone has ever done. I've spent 60 hours on a detail before is it because I wasn't using nanoskin that it took me soooooo long to get a car perfect? Or is because in 15 years I probably approach that word "perfect" completely different than yours. Oh and I happily show off my work under halogens, in the sun, and under LED's. Lol as enteraining as this is......
TacoHerder
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Right by saying "no its not..." you are implying both products require different prep work and one can be applied in 1 step. You basically contradict yourself in this comment. You should y have no its not, because in truth yes, both require the same prep work.