Vanilla Moose and Klasse question...

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Ok, before any flames, i did a search for Vanilla moose to gather some intel on it. I have been seeing alot of posts about it being used by the pros and to say the least it has tickled my fancy.



Right now the only product i have used on my car's paint since it was repainted in March 03 is SMR #9, Klasse AIO and SGx2 and the paint is really coming alive.



The paint is electron blue metallic and it has alot of flake just waiting to burst, and the SG is helping it really come alive. I have read that polymers rather than carnubas are good to use on my type of paint, so here in lies the question.



Is Vanilla moose glaze good to use with Klasse?



Klasse AIO to my understanding is a paint cleaner that has mild abrassives to remove swirls and small defects. Thus being a "polish" according to definition.



Vanilla moose posseses the same qualities as AIO, removes light oxidation and swirls etc, but it doesn't say it "fills" them in. A glaze fills in these defects etc, rather than removing them.



Which makes me wonder, would it be pointless to use AIO than VM? Or is VM truely a glaze in the traditional sense?



Sorry to keep going on, but i am very interested in this.

Now, that being said, i have already AIO's and used SG, if i was to strip everything and start from square 1, throw down AIO than VM in multiple coats than SG from there would that be sound?



1) On dark metallic paint would i yeild as better results as i am with SG ?

2) Is this logical?



Any more info would be great.



Below is a link to the gallery showing the color etc. Every pic has atleast coat of SG on it unless otherwise noted, except for the shot with the sky. Thanks for reading if you've come this far!







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VM has very light polishing capabilities. It is rich in oil content with some wax in it. If you want to keep using AIO and SG, then there really isn't a point for VM. If you want to do VM, then S100, that would be good.
 
Well i figure since there is no glaze step to the Klasse process (although SG has glaze in the name its more of a sealant/wax) glazing before sealing would be ideal. I am pretty much just looking for a good glaze to throw down before the sealant. From another question i posted i gathered that a carnuba (such as S100) would obivously look good on my car but a polymer such as Klasse or others out there would really make the metallic pop rather than deepen the color and hide the metallic more.



Hope you understand really want i mean.
 
I know this may not help you out but I do agree with you.



I have a black metallic car and was very happy with my AIO and then 5x SG.



I was tempted to top it off with a carnauba based wax (Meg's #26)and I did and afterwards wanted to go back to after theSG. The caranuba makes it look black and has less luster.



By the way, VM has sparked my interest as well.
 
That is what i am afraid of and after doing research i figure with my paint it won't show the metallic as much if i put a carnuba. Since vanilla moose is not a carnuba, and a glaze i thought perhaps it might make the paint super slick and really come alive, i know its worth a shot i guess. Anyone know how i can strip my 2 coats of SG without dawning and starting really from scratcH? Should i just reapply AIO to take off the SG?
 
Mike Phillips suggest that a sealant should have no problem bonding to a surface prep by Meg #81. Try a side by side comparison of AIO topped with SG and #81 topped with SG.



good luck
 
I may be missing the point but is meg81 a glaze and is it like Vanilla moose? Otherwise i am missing the point...
 
SG is not going to bond to the oils in the glaze. It needs AIO or supposedly bare paint to bond to. VM would be pointless after SG because it has light polishing action, so it would remove some of the SG. You can use a pure glaze such as #71 or #81 after SG if you want a glaze, but VM is not what you want.
 
I agree with both comments by Greg, except the wax content in VM. It is rich in oils. My experience with all polymers, for the most part, need a clean surface (non oily) to bond with. If your really looking for some pop in your paint, why are you limiting yourself to 2-3 products ? You really need to find a combination of efforts and products for your particular needs.....You may consider Blackfire or Platinum, there major "poppers."
 
Patrick said:
I agree with both comments by Greg, except the wax content in VM. It is rich in oils. My experience with all polymers, for the most part, need a clean surface (non oily) to bond with. If your really looking for some pop in your paint, why are you limiting yourself to 2-3 products ? You really need to find a combination of efforts and products for your particular needs.....You may consider Blackfire or Platinum, there major "poppers."
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From talking to Mr. Glass and doing much experimenting with Vanilla Moose Wax myself, I have found VM to have some wax in it. I say this because I have used VM as the final step on a couple of details and still get beading action and slickness for an extending period of time greater than say a Meguiars #7, granted I am not a chemist, yet, so I cannot bring any scientific evidence to the table, but Mr. Glass says there is some and I would probably concur.
 
I will try what else is out there and experiment, thanks for the help guys. Weather is getting really cold and i might not have a chance to do anything until next season unfortunarely. I also didn't intend to put VM over SG. I figured SG was more of a wax than a glaze, since its a sealent, or called that. So i figured VM = glaze, SG = sealent, do VM before SG
 
I really dont think the SG will crosslink to something like VM. I've not tried VM (but intend to, soon) but I have tried SG over products like P21SGEPC (kinda sorta the same thing) and it was gone in quick measure. I think the good VM would do would be in burnishing the finish, even if AIO removed all of the oils and wax left behind. Don't know that this is worth your time.



If I may suggest, Poorboys EX. My car is a deep burgandy with a lot of pearlized flake. I tried AIO+SG and was just not happy with the look. It maximized the surface gloss, but hid the depth and natural brilliance of the paint. I find that EX is much warmer, and allows the the pearlized flake to show through better. You could use something like it over VM.



And in my experience AIO does nothing to swirls, only oxidation.
 
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