Topping Glazes with Sealents- bonding issues

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machboy

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Hey fellas was wondering if there are bonding issues with topping a glaze with a sealent.



Example would be: #80 topped with UPP



I ask because i know certain sealents like KSG need a clean oil free surface to bond to (like AIO). And the oils from a glaze would hinder that. So does this go for all sealents? or is it unique to KSG? I love the look of a glaze and love the durability of a sealent but not sure on using two together.



thanks in advance.



- Scott
 
UPP is a really easy sealant to work with. I haven't had any bonding issues with it using 3 different glazes, #7, RMG, and VM. I doubt that the oils from #80 will cause an issue.
 
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I believe an oil free surface, e.g. a properly prepped surface with a base of AIO, PB's PP, or UPPC would provide a better bonding surface than products, e.g. VM, #80, etc ...



That being said I've still used combos like VM + EX (or EX-P) hundreds of times. Durability isn't an issue on my own vehicle, I'm always applying something to it.
 
At another board there is someone who routinely tops VM with UPP and loves the effects.



I just ordered some WG Glaze to apply prior to WG sealant, which shouldn't be an issue.
 
NHBFAN said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I believe an oil free surface, e.g. a properly prepped surface with a base of AIO, PB's PP, or UPPC would provide a better bonding surface than products, e.g. VM, #80, etc ...



That being said I've still used combos like VM + EX (or EX-P) hundreds of times. Durability isn't an issue on my own vehicle, I'm always applying something to it.
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Don't feel flamed, it is absolutely correct! Most sealants should have a clean, oil- and wax-free surface to bond with. Although I have seen different with the case of VM and, at times, PB PwC, most sealants should go on an unglazed surface.
 
There's also the option of Menzerna FTG + FMJ, though I don't know if either of those would be recommended for use with "other" glazes or sealants.
 
FWIW, I think that DP's Final Finishing Polish really increases gloss and reflection nicely, kinda like a permanent glaze. And it can be used under a sealant, because it's just a chemical cleaner/very mild abrasive polish.
 
Sherman8r44 said:
FWIW, I think that DP's Final Finishing Polish really increases gloss and reflection nicely, kinda like a permanent glaze. And it can be used under a sealant, because it's just a chemical cleaner/very mild abrasive polish.
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I agree. The look is similar to Vanilla Moose and probably more sealant friendly with respects to bonding.
 
I think the use of any sealant of glazes will compromise durabilty. I have used EX-p, UPP and Wolfgang over VM and RMG loads of times as they look so good, but for lasting results and maximum durabilty as oil free base is a must.



I have put my glazes back on the shelf and done AIO, Autoglym Extra Gloss x 3 and #16 x 2 for winter, a slight compromise on looks, but it should last.
 
the only reason i had asked this is i love the look that a glaze gives the paint and also like the durability of a sealent. But if can't have my cake and eat it too i understand...hahah.
 
machboy said:
the only reason i had asked this is i love the look that a glaze gives the paint and also like the durability of a sealent. But if can't have my cake and eat it too i understand...hahah.
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VM or RMG under EX w/carnauba is having your cake and eating it too. :idea
 
Interesting. the only sealant I have used over #80 is NXT, seems to work well. As soon as I get my SSR2,5 I will try using that with my Cyclo as a base for AIO + a sealant.
 
Scottwax said:
VM or RMG under EX w/carnauba is having your cake and eating it too. :idea
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A great combo on Solid colours, looks great on flat Black and Red, muted the flakes on my Met. black paint though. Shame as I loved that combo.





Mark77 said:
Interesting. the only sealant I have used over #80 is NXT, seems to work well. As soon as I get my SSR2,5 I will try using that with my Cyclo as a base for AIO + a sealant.
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#80 and NXT should be fine as the cleaners in NXT should remove the oils left behind anyway.
 
Theoretically, you should do a 50/50 IPA wipedown before the application of any sealant.





Using products like Klasse AIO or 4* UPC help with bonding and exnay the IPA wipedown.





Over a glaze, you are pretty much going for looks. I haven't had great luck with any sealant bonding over, say, CK VM.
 
Scottwax said:
VM or RMG under EX w/carnauba is having your cake and eating it too. :idea
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Sadly i have neither of those products.



For sealents all i have is SG and UPP. For sealent wax i have NXT and Reflections. But i just use those as waxes and not sealents.
 
This is exactly why I posted a thread a while back asking if a glaze could be put on top of a sealant without issues. The perfect combo for me would be exactly this:



- Klasse AIO

- Klasse SG, 4 times (or so)

- A high-quality glaze

- Natty's Blue or Pinnacle Souveran to seal it in



That is the perfect combo of looks and durability, but I never could get an answer from anyone as to if a glaze will affect the sealant underneath. I'm tempted to just buy a glaze and give it a go, and see how long it all lasts, since no one seems to know for sure.



In theory, this would be awesome. You've got ultra-durable sealant on the bottom, which will stand there to protect the paint if all else fails (and make it shiny), then a glaze to deepen and wet the paint, and a high-quality carnuba on top to lock the glaze in and provide a bit more depth and warmth.
 
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