The Workout/Weight Loss Thread

Alexshimshimhae- Nope, no diff :nixweiss And I don't do the download thing.



No worries, I mean..really, not like I'm gonna change my workouts or anything :grinno: It'd be like changing how I wash cars; why change what's 100% dialed-in?
 
lol point taken sir =] hehe I mean it seems like what you're doing is working =] just kind of seems like this wouldn't have been a huge change from what you were doing =]
 
Alexshimshimhae said:
.. just kind of seems like this wouldn't have been a huge change from what you were doing..
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Since I don't *think* I'm coming across as argumentative, and noting that I'm kinda flying blind here having not read the book, let's discuss that a bit :think:



If he's introducing a cardio-demand element to the weight work, that *would* be a big departure from what I'm doing. I mean..yeah, a set of squats gets me breathing to say the least, but I wouldn't *start* that set while huffing and puffing lest I have an "oops!" (yeah, I use spotter-racks). I need to psych myself up, get "into the zone", before I commence with any of the really demanding lifts and I can't do that if I'm really breathing (yeah, that all slows down in the brief time between sets while I visualize the next one).



My wife does something that sounds sorta like his idea when she does her kettlebell workouts; good all-over conditioning for her in a minimal amount of time. I think that's the sort of thing you're talking about and for a lot of people it should be great.



I still find it interesting how so much of the conventional wisdom regarding this stuff simply didn't work that way for me...
 
I don't think there will ever come a time that I'll take anything from you as argumentative =] I kind of like the back and forth =]

hehe well traditionally, the weight load is something that would be challenging for say set 1. From what I can tell, it would probably be best to start with no weight as this will probably be the most you'll be able to handle (and should attempt) at the beginning.

The addition of weights or anything like that would be more towards later on when you can safely maintain proper form etc etc.



I suppose the easiest way to explain it;

Think about football training. Often times, in states where its not year round (In ny it's actually illegal to) during 'hell week' --we perform high intensity drills and exercises with varied movements and force your body to move in ways that it doesn't usually. The function of these workouts is also to work out the muscles and condition them to be able to perform the things you need them to do during say, a game.



Essentially you need the strength, endurance, stamina, mental/physical toughness to be able to perform game time. Now, obviously we're not going to be putting on shoulder pads, but it's the results that we're looking at.



You can simply stick to the complexes that are geared specifically to increasing your VO2 capacity
 
Alexshimshimhae- Heh heh, the more you explain it, the less it sounds like it'd be appropriate for yours truly!



But the "train for what you do" aspect of it does resonate :xyxthumbs Gotta be functional-results oriented about such stuff IMO.
 
Accumulator said:
Scottwax- Glad that works well for you, and I know you simply love doing it (big plus, huh?). I couldn't put in the time, but then I'm not trying to lose weight either. Any idea what kind of heart-rate you're running when you do those rides?
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The better you get at riding, the more and faster you want to do it. 184.6 miles this week in just 4 rides. Even as I hit the 50 mile mark today, I was moving along at 20 mph.



Most of the time my heart rate is in the 110-130 range, maybe 165 when I push it.
 
Scottwax said:
The better you get at riding, the more and faster you want to do it. 184.6 miles this week in just 4 rides. Even as I hit the 50 mile mark today, I was moving along at 20 mph...
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Heh heh, yeah...so my other biking pals tell me :D Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you guys (mostly guys for some reason :think: ) love it so much :xyxthumbs



Most of the time my heart rate is in the 110-130 range, maybe 165 when I push it.
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Thanks for the info. That's about what I figured, and is very different from how I do my cardio (again, don't get me wrong, different strokes and all that and ..oops, pun...what you're doing is supposedly great for the "stroke volume" of your heart IICR).



What's your target-goal weight/body-comp wise? Do you have to give the biking up completely during a Texas winter?
 
Accumulator said:






Thanks for the info. That's about what I figured, and is very different from how I do my cardio (again, don't get me wrong, different strokes and all that and ..oops, pun...what you're doing is supposedly great for the "stroke volume" of your heart IICR).



What's your target-goal weight/body-comp wise? Do you have to give the biking up completely during a Texas winter?
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When I used to run regularly, my heart rate would be in the 140-160 range, but obviously with the somewhat lower heart rate when riding, I can do that far longer than I could run. Now that I am so used to the speed of riding, I have a real hard time running since it feels so slow.



I want to drop another 15 pounds or so, plus I started lifting again so I can get a bit more toned. I still have decent size from my lifting days but I want to cut up more.



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Scottwax- I bet the riding is a lot easier on you as far as beating up your joints/etc. too; IMO running just isn't right for a lot of people, at least not long-term. I myself run more like a spastic robot than a gazelle, and it beats me up something awful if I overdo it (which doesn't take much doing).



Yeah, you do still have size/mass, and you look like you simply have "that kind" of build to begin with (lucky fella!), genetically speaking. I mean...look at how your sons are built :eek:
 
I started running again, right now on an indoor track to build up my knees, hips and ankles to stand up to the pounding on pavement. Ran just over 1.6 miles today at a 9 minute per mile pace. Probably could have kept running, no problems with endurance muscle or lung-wise but not used to the impact even on a surface with some give.
 
ScottWax- Yeah, I too can sure have issues with the impact. FWIW, I've pretty much solved the issue by using a) good insoles/shoes and, more importantly with regard to shin splints IMO, b) building up the muscle on the front of my shins. Not that I don't have to watch overdoing it, but a whole lot better than it was at least.



I was simply amazed what some oh-so-pricey insoles and better shoes did for the impact. "Hey, my old shoes look and feel fine.." and "those stupid insoles cost more than some shoes".... but I was wrong and it was money well-spent. Sorta surprising how quickly running shoes break down even with a guy my size :think:



Here's a linkie on working the front of the lower leg: Dard for calf muscle exercises | DARD calf muscle exercise equipment I do the same thing one leg at a time with a kettlebell too.



Just like the insoles and shoes, it surprised me what a diff it made after I'd done 'em for a while.
 
Accumulator-I heard a really good cure for shin splints. During your run, sprint for 100 or so yards two or three times during your run. Once I started doing that regularly, I stopped getting them.
 
Accumulator said:
BigAl3- How long does it take to swim that many laps? Gee, I haven't been in a pool since forever :think:
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i've been swimming (main reason i use my gym pass) more seriously the last 6+ months and i gradually built up my stamina and endurance over that time and still am. at first i wanted to focus on proper swimming freestyle technique (you see people fight the water in which they will lose everytime) and learning to breath correctly (from both sides) is also key in which they will both go hand in hand overtime. i recently bought some small fins and they help build up my legs strength/speed because they will make you kick. i'm in the pool for at least an hour and usually do sets of fours in which i do flip turns every other side and do push turn offs as well (also mix up drills). swimming is one of the best exersizes you can ever do (you should do it if you aren't now, you won't be sorry and there is also the jacuzzi and steam room to help massage/relax you before and after), and it will work out the entire body and help cut/slim you down while improving your cardio (think about it, you have to hold you breath for periods of time while using for arms and legs to propel you forward or backwards with some resistance). after a swimming session, i feel soooo much better. i would eventually like to get my flip turns down as good as this guy... :D



YouTube - Michael Phelps turn



YouTube - Michael Phelps freestyle multi angle camera



btw - he has the physique i am trying to work towards, slim and cut without being overly to muscular...

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Sigh! Not much time for me to exercise cos I work 7days a week, and start work 8.30am.

So my regiment is:



Daily 3pm: 20laps in the pool, and I drive back to my detailing shop (10mins) to monitor the jobs.

If my schedule is highly packed, then I'll do my 20 laps at nite before dinner.

On Sat and Sun, I don't exercise at all cos there's just too many things to attend to at my shop.
 
BigAl3 said:
...... proper swimming freestyle technique (you see people fight the water in which they will lose everytime) and learning to breath correctly (from both sides) is also key in which they will both go hand in hand overtime. i recently bought some small fins and they help build up my legs strength/speed because they will make you kick.
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Hi, fellow swimming enthusiast! You are indeed quite hardcore!!:p

I've been in my school's swim team since 1985 and since I opened my detailing shop 7yrs ago, swimming has been my only form of exercise to date.



Now, I'm still refining my front crawl, and ocassionally use my hand paddles to help me "feel"/finetune my hand pull. On certain days when I wanna focus on my hand pull and leave my legs alone, I'll just use that small styrofoam float between my thighs.



Sometimes, the pool environment also helps in giving you the motivation, and I'm lucky cos the condominium I live in has 3 great swimming pools (1 for serious swimming, 2 for chilling out - Balinese style)

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Drizzling lightly here now. Pic taken 5mins ago. This is the 1st pool.

I'll get the people to switch on the underwater lights, and going to swim later tonite!



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Gigondaz- Nice to see you posting on this thread, and it's great that you've stuck with the swimming. I bet having the pool(s) at your condo makes that a lot easier! Glad to hear you make time for it even when that's not easy :xyxthumbs





BigAl3 said:
i've been swimming (main reason i use my gym pass) more seriously the last 6+ months...
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Sounds like you're getting a lot out of your membership :xyxthumbs

... at first i wanted to focus on proper swimming freestyle technique (you see people fight the water in which they will lose everytime)..
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Yeah, proper technique is everything!

... i'm in the pool for at least an hour ...
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Yikes, that's a long time! Yeah, I used to swim a lot when I was younger (lifeguard certifications, etc.) but it was never the right workout for me, and it just takes too much time for me compared to going downstairs and working out.



.. after a swimming session, i feel soooo much better...
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Yeah, I hear that a lot from people for whom it's the right workout. Heh heh, I, OTOH, usually feel more like "well, I lived to tell.." after my workouts, especially the cardio sessions.

...[M. Phelps]...has the physique i am trying to work towards, slim and cut without being overly to muscular...
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Yeah, that's the same sort of build I have, though I'm a bit thicker and more muscular (not freakishly so). Lots of that is probably genetic though, guys on my Dad's side were all lean and I just had to stay that way as I got older and try to build/keep muscle.
 
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