Swisswax Vs Zymol???

[Accumulator]

kapinnn- If you're really serious about a sample of Concours, I oughta say (after saying "thank you" ) that I'm really not kidding about the Jag/RX-7 not being in ready-to-wax condition (my car projects move at a glacial pace).



I'd like to try something like that on the Jag, but it's still gonna be a Growler Restoration in Cleveland for another month or so and then it's back to the painter one last time (if anybody thinks this is BS they can call Paul Cusato at Growler and confirm that the car is for real ). The RX might be ready for waxing by spring.



I don't want anybody sending me something that'll just sit on the shelf (or is it in the refrigerator?) for a few months...I fear that could lead to bad feelings. When I'm ready to wax one of those cars, I *will* be interested in trying something along the lines of a Zymol EG, but until I get to that point I'm just kicking around the various options (hey, what about Atlantique?).



Alternatively, when the time comes I might consider splitting the cost of a jar of something expensive...that might be some big :nono in the world of exotic waxes though :nervous: :nixweiss

 

[Saleenfan]

OK well my car just decided that the power windows dont want to work so to repair that took the money I was gonna use on the "high end wax" so now im deciding between victoria concourse red and Poorboys Nattys red.

What one gives a deeper gloss?

 

[ron231]

OK well my car just decided that the power windows dont want to work so to repair that took the money I was gonna use on the "high end wax" so now im deciding between victoria concourse red and Poorboys Nattys red.

What one gives a deeper gloss?

Get the 12oz victoria, the value is outstanding and also David is amazinly helpful.



Plus I think poorboys is ridiculous, they base their entire brand on price, the bottles all say "not a lot o money but look at that shine" but yet products that are BETTER and CHEAPER like meguiars and optimum do not base their entire brand on price. Not to mention their prices have just went up.



Also, I cannot vouch for nattys red, but I have blue and it is the least durable wax I have ever used. I got less that one week with one day of rain before beading and slickness were gone, and yes the paint was thoroughly prepped.

 

[kapinnn]

kapinnn- If you're really serious about a sample of Concours, I oughta say (after saying "thank you" ) that I'm really not kidding about the Jag/RX-7 not being in ready-to-wax condition (my car projects move at a glacial pace).



I'd like to try something like that on the Jag, but it's still gonna be a Growler Restoration in Cleveland for another month or so and then it's back to the painter one last time (if anybody thinks this is BS they can call Paul Cusato at Growler and confirm that the car is for real ). The RX might be ready for waxing by spring.



I don't want anybody sending me something that'll just sit on the shelf (or is it in the refrigerator?) for a few months...I fear that could lead to bad feelings. When I'm ready to wax one of those cars, I *will* be interested in trying something along the lines of a Zymol EG, but until I get to that point I'm just kicking around the various options (hey, what about Atlantique?).



Alternatively, when the time comes I might consider splitting the cost of a jar of something expensive...that might be some big :nono in the world of exotic waxes though :nervous: :nixweiss

Well let me know... The deal will be up. I wanna give this to someone that has more experience with other LSPs than me and can write a good comparison or review. I'm also thinking about getting a swissvax product in the next few months.



Maybe I could split that jar or high end EG with you when the time comes...

 

[kapinnn]

Wow that's really tempting!!! Let me think on it....I wouldn't want to commit to anything. If anything, now it looks like I'll have to at least try a Victoria for next year.

You know you want it... lol

 

[lbls1]

Now I know how my pal Accumulator feels.........



How'd bout I just take the Money!!



*Heh Heh* Lol!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lbls1]

Well let me know... The deal will be up. I wanna give this to someone that has more experience with other LSPs than me and can write a good comparison or review. I'm also thinking about getting a swissvax product in the next few months.



Maybe I could split that jar or high end EG with you when the time comes...

Hah!!! Oh where were u guys a year ago??? Ya probably bad stuff here, but....da(r)n the price tag!!!

 

[Accumulator]

kapinnn- I'll be keeping all this stuff in mind, and given my inability to leave the topic alone I'm sure we'll be discussing it again



I do wonder if I'm the best guy to comment on how something looks though. On the Audis, yeah...but I'm *not* about to do an A8/S8 with this sort of stuff. On the Jag I've only used three waxes on it since new in '85 and there's a *HUGE* personal preference factor with that car and its weird paint. Heh heh, I've never even waxed the RX-7, but then I've never driven it a whole mile either



OK, I do have a few functional-issue questions:



1) how given to streaking are these products and what's the fix?



2) anybody used them (specifically) on not-good-condition ss lacquer and have related opinions/info?



3) what's best to use for the post-application wipedowns that I hear are mandatory (due to blooming-type issues)?



4) what's the wait-time between applications if the goal is layering (hope that word doesn't turn this into a flame-fest)?

 

[imported_Picus]

I can answer a few of those. I believe the layering is different with Vintage, but for Concorso/Concours etc.. I wait 24 hours, or until the next wash. I use cold distilled water and a nice plush mf for the post application wipedowns. I find those take almost no time/effort though.

 

[Accumulator]

Thanks, Picus, appreciate the info. Good to hear that the additional wipe-downs aren't a big deal.



As I understand it, the Vintage has to cure longer...

 

[imported_Picus]

Yes, that's my understanding too. I've heard SuperBee and a few others mention a week long wait in between applications. I just used Concorso again and got a really obvious case of "blooming" or whatever you want to call it (had the car parked in the sun); but the wipedown is really effortless. No streams, just wipes right off. I am still not sure I see the "deepening" Swissvax refers to when putting the car in the sun, but it sure looked nice.

 

[lbls1]

At least a week for Vintage. You can go as long as a month or a little more and still layer quite effectively with Vintaaaaaaaghe!

 

[Accumulator]

I just used Concorso again and got a really obvious case of "blooming".. (had the car parked in the sun); but the wipedown is really effortless. No streams, just wipes right off. I am still not sure I see the "deepening" Swissvax refers to when putting the car in the sun, but it sure looked nice.

The sun exposure resulting in blooming makes sense, but I dunno about the "deepening" claim..might chalk that one up to ad-copy hyperbole



Interesting that the blooming wipes off without issue.



lbls1- Hmmm on the week between coats with Vintage, but hey, that's no different from what I do with most waxes (Collinite excepted).



How easily do the subsequent wipe-downs (Re blooming, etc.) go with that Vintaaaage?



What about my concerns that it won't play nice with the aged lacquer? Ever try it on old single stage? I had VM (of all things ?!? :nixweiss ) do a *horrible* streaking number on the hood the last time I tried anything other than my usual regimen...and it sorta dissuaded me from ever experimenting on that car again.



Oh, and what's the scoop on Atlantique?

 

[lbls1]

To be honest, I haven't found that the wiping (take-down is what I like calling it) gets any easier with additional coats of Vintage or Concours. Once you are able to get the compound on the paint (ie allowing it to melt.............No Applicator Other Than Your Hands!), then IMO it wouldn't do anything destructive to paint. I wouldn't try to reinvent the application process with any Zymol when you're starting out. I'd stick to the basics.



As odd as it may seem, I've yet to try Atlantique. I would probably consider it on par with the Vintage sight unseen, but with the disadvantages of a large price tag and no refill. I would wager that all three (or four not including Solaris...maybe) white carnauba formulas are very similar in finish characteristics as to what I've seen. All of them (and don't necessarily count out Concours.....) are close in terms of finish brilliance, but with the possible uptick in perceived depth from one model to another(noticeable by who.......??).

 

[Jeroen]

I wonder wether the Swissvax waxes are that much better than like Megs #26 paste wax or #16? Swissvax is easily available here in NL but their cheapest wax, Onyx, is €65,- which I think is still quite a bit of money for a wax. Concorso is €185,- which I think is a helluva lot of money for a wax:nixweiss I'm an 1Z user(MP, WPS, GW) at the moment as well as Megs, I like 1Z GW for it's durability and I don't think think Megs #26 is bad either. I'd like to give Swissvax Onyx a try but I'm not sure if it's really worth the money

 

[DM101]

lbls1, You wait a week before layering Vintage? How did you come up with that? (not being a smart elic sp).... I have been using the 24 hour standard. Like to here your thoughts. Regards!!!



Accumulator

You have a RX-7? I'd love to see some picts. I had a 82 RX-7 Loved it!!!! I love the rotary engine! 8,000 rpms no sweet. They love it.

At least a week for Vintage. You can go as long as a month or a little more and still layer quite effectively with Vintaaaaaaaghe!

 

[imported_Picus]

I wonder wether the Swissvax waxes are that much better than like Megs #26 paste wax or #16? Swissvax is easily available here in NL but their cheapest wax, Onyx, is €65,- which I think is still quite a bit of money for a wax. Concorso is €185,- which I think is a helluva lot of money for a wax:nixweiss I'm an 1Z user(MP, WPS, GW) at the moment as well as Megs, I like 1Z GW for it's durability and I don't think think Megs #26 is bad either. I'd like to give Swissvax Onyx a try but I'm not sure if it's really worth the money

That's only a question you can answer yourself. I have #26, #26, Souveran, Concours, Nattys red and blue, P21S, Destiny, clearkote carnauba, worlds best wax, 50/50, etc...etc... I think Concorso is worth it, but that's just in my opinion, of course.

 

[Accumulator]

I wonder wether the Swissvax waxes are that much better than like Megs #26 paste wax or #16?...I'm an 1Z user(MP, WPS, GW) at the moment as well as Megs, I like 1Z GW for it's durability and I don't think think Megs #26 is bad either. I'd like to give Swissvax Onyx a try but I'm not sure if it's really worth the money

I'll leave the price factor out of it for the most part...IMO if somebody has to think twice about what a *car wax* costs, then they shouldn't buy it, simple as that. This stuff isn't food and shelter, it's an indulgence.



That said, I use #16 quite a bit, along with some other reasonably priced LSPs. Most LSPs have a "signature look" that is quite apparent on some paints (and I'll allow that on some other paints most LSPs look the same ). I'm sure you've noticed this between #26 (deep, rich, wet) and #16 (bright, shiny, reflective). I'd expect the same sort of differences with these "exotic LSPs", along with some other features like the way they shed water and, apparently, dirt. Some of those features might be worth the cost and

application hassles....for some people and the same goes for how they look.



FWIW, some people choke over the cost of Souveran, but I've seen how it compares with other waxes on my Jag, and it's *easily* worth the cost to *me*. It gives a certain look that I just don't get with other products, including ones that people *assure* me will look better/the same/at least as good.





Oh, and I'm a big 1Z fan too, but I don't use the GW (preferring my other LSPs over WPS/MP). One of the combos I'm considering is an "exotic wax" over WPS or MP.

You have a RX-7? I'd love to see some picts. I had a 82 RX-7 Loved it!!!! I love the rotary engine! 8,000 rpms no sweet. They love it.

Actually, I've *never* posted any pics here! Part of it is cyber-paranoia, but I might get over that where some of my vehicles are concerned (including the RX-7).



It's an '84 GSL-SE with ~24K miles. Tender blue metallic (all original paint). Time capsule/near-concours condition, every record since new- including every fill-up, wiper blade, etc. Even have a box full of stuff like the original battery and sparkplugs.



I had an '81 GSL when I was in college, and when I ran across this, well, let's just say it was an impulse buy. It's mothballed until I find time to play with it.

 

[lbls1]

I wait at least a week so as to give the wax more drying time. I've found that the zymols have the best layering punch when you allow them to get a bit old. You should wait a minimum of a day, because layering on top of a just applied wax (especially a zymol) will leave you with a lot of streaking and a greasy look. You can curb the streaks with the qd, per se, but new wax should render the finish without a lot of hassle with streaking and also without a lot of add on products that could hinder the finish (in my own opinion).



MDRX, you will find that the Vintage matures very nicely, and if handled right, will become ferociously vibrant with depth and fullness of color and reflectivity. Just pace yourself with just a little at a time. I went all the way up to 10 coatings last year (my layerings were down in fact from 12 the previous year), but to be honest I feel that the wax is performing so well I may end the season with fewer coatings.

 

[DM101]

I put 5 coats on over a 7 day period. Sounds like I need to back off a little. The 95 degree heat over the next few days will help it to deepen and look better.

I wait at least a week so as to give the wax more drying time. I've found that the zymols have the best layering punch when you allow them to get a bit old. You should wait a minimum of a day, because layering on top of a just applied wax (especially a zymol) will leave you with a lot of streaking and a greasy look. You can curb the streaks with the qd, per se, but new wax should render the finish without a lot of hassle with streaking and also without a lot of add on products that could hinder the finish (in my own opinion).



MDRX, you will find that the Vintage matures very nicely, and if handled right, will become ferociously vibrant with depth and fullness of color and reflectivity. Just pace yourself with just a little at a time. I went all the way up to 10 coatings last year (my layerings were down in fact from 12 the previous year), but to be honest I feel that the wax is performing so well I may end the season with fewer coatings.