So some guy tapes his dog's mouth shut to keep him from barking....

mochamanz said:
So to all you Capital punishment buffs, if the state is so perfect as to mete out such true justice, PLEASE show me the state owned time machine that they use when they find or suspect that an INNOCENT has been put to death...:grrr
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WHAT?! The US Justice system isn't perfect?? HOLY CR#&!!!!!!!!! My GOODNESS, and all this time I thought it was!!!!



HONEY!! (calling out to my wife)... Get me President Bush on the Line. I'm gonna tell him what Mochamanz (and his brilliant legal mind) just posted on Autopia. Maybe we can get our faulty justice system fixed and have Capital Punishment repealed until we do!!! Or better yet, wait till we invent this 'state owned time machine' that mochamanz brilliantly creative mind thought of before we even consider executing another person!! Thank Goodness for DNA testing??? No, thank YOU Mochamanz for doing such a great job of pointing out the obvious. :D
 
Intermezzo said:
WHAT?! The US Justice system isn't perfect?? HOLY CR#&!!!!!!!!! My GOODNESS, and all this time I thought it was!!!!



HONEY!! (calling out to my wife)... Get me President Bush on the Line. I'm gonna tell him what Mochamanz (and his brilliant legal mind) just posted on Autopia. Maybe we can get our faulty justice system fixed and have Capital Punishment repealed until we do!!! Or better yet, wait till we invent this 'state owned time machine' that mochamanz brilliantly creative mind thought of before we even consider executing another person!! Thank Goodness for DNA testing??? No, thank YOU Mochamanz for doing such a great job of pointing out the obvious. :D
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:hm :hide: :chuckle: Gosh, I had a pic , but it wont work here.

A nice can o worms for y'all !



Reductio ad absurdum -
 
Mosca said:
The biggest problem with the death penalty is that sometimes people who get executed aren't guilty.
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Name one in the last...or 50 years or so. Just one. Maybe 100 years ago you could but with 10+ years of appeals now and DNA testing, I don't think you will find anyone innocent of the crime actually put to death.







What do you want to bet that in the cases Scott is describing, the guy who got 2 years is black and the guy who got 18 days a year for 10 years is white?



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Would you like to bet 100 billion dollars?















































Both defendants were white.
 
Naw, that's OK. You know that I don't like these things to become confrontational; I'd rather present possibilities that make you think, and have you do the same for me. Like I said, it's not as if you want law and I want anarchy; we both want the same thing. And I'm not anti death penalty on any moral ground. I want George Banks to be executed. Google the name. There's no doubt the man did the deed.



My contention is that once someone is executed, no one goes looking any more to see if he was innocent. Even anti-death penalty advocates choose to spend their time focused on the ones they can save rather than the ones that are lost. It's not the death penalty itself I'm against, but the imperfect implementation of it.



The check for the 100 billion is in the mail, btw. You'd better cash it quick, though; I have about 99.6 billion in bills going out over the next few days.







Tom
 
Mosca said:
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My contention is that once someone is executed, no one goes looking any more to see if he was innocent. Even anti-death penalty advocates choose to spend their time focused on the ones they can save rather than the ones that are lost. It's not the death penalty itself I'm against, but the imperfect implementation of it.







Tom [/B]
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EXACTLY !:xyxthumbs
 
Mosca said:
I'd rather present possibilities that make you think, and have you do the same for me.
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But it sounded more like you were making a hypothetical argument.



"What do you want to bet that in the cases Scott is describing, the guy who got 2 years is black and the guy who got 18 days a year for 10 years is white?"



When using hypothetical arguments, one can make good arguments for just about anything. Using a hypothetical argument, I can make a good case for the superiority of Santa Monica College over Harvard University.
 
Intermezzo said:
But it sounded more like you were making a hypothetical argument.



"What do you want to bet that in the cases Scott is describing, the guy who got 2 years is black and the guy who got 18 days a year for 10 years is white?"



When using hypothetical arguments, one can make good arguments for just about anything. Using a hypothetical argument, I can make a good case for the superiority of Santa Monica College over Harvard University.
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No, that was laziness and sloppiness. If I wanted to know the answer, I would have Googled it and found pictures of both defendants (you can, they're out there). My point was to make you think that it could be true, which, like I said, was lazy.



As far as Santa Monica and Harvard, the sum total of available knowledge is the same everywhere in the world; the value is in the perception of the degree, not in what is actually learned! Now THAT is some real thread drift!



:D







Tom
 
Mosca said:
As far as Santa Monica and Harvard, the sum total of available knowledge is the same everywhere in the world; the value is in the perception of the degree, not in what is actually learned! Now THAT is some real thread drift!



:D



Tom
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Okay, I am guessing Gestalt, maybe Plato or 'Recognition heuristics'
 
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[Accumulator decides to bite tongue and not post something that will take this further OT into the realm of epistemology and other philosophical matters ;) ]
 
I think what Accumulator is trying to teach us by his non posting is Wittgenstein's ideas that nothing exists outside of language
 
Uh-uh :D This is one of those note-to-self moments: If, every time somebody (like, say, *me*) thought "the world could sure use my insight!," that somebody would just keep their mouth shut...well, the world (or at least Autopia) would be a less contentious place.



I go off on pedantic rants often enough as it is :rolleyes: :o
 
Ok, let us all hold hands in love because we have no differing opinions. We can sing joyous tunes and hug one another. It can be our own utopia. :D
 
You know what? You are right. :p :D



I'm sad that this thread is dying and DetailGirl has not responded to the facts I posted.
 
I think it is very hard for anyone to give a value to human or animal life but I guess one of the roles of the Court is to do just that. I have no idea of the facts behind the two mentioned cases but to my mind the taking of a human life would seem to be more important to society than a dogs life. Comparing specific cases is always fraught with dangers as the variables can be so high.



With UK law it has often stuck me how we view different types of killing. If I randomly throw a hammer into a street and I kill someone I would probably be charged with manslaughter and face 15-20 years. If I drive a car and run someone over I am likely to get a large fine, loose my licence for a few years and maybe face 1-3 years in prison.



As for philosophy, a thread which starts by asking the value of life and moves to the justice of executions and then questions the possibility of legal racism - all sounds very philosophical to me
 
TW85 HHI said:
Ok, let us all hold hands in love because we have no differing opinions. We can sing joyous tunes and hug one another. It can be our own utopia. :D
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LOL, I think we have STRONGLY differing opinions; what's unusual is that we aren't freakin' raging at each other because of it. That's a good thing.



The strongest persuasiveness that anyone's written for me is that Scott pointed out that most cases ending in execution are scrupulously reviewed and appealed and reappealed and postponed.







Tom
 
Accumulator said:
Uh-uh :D This is one of those note-to-self moments: If, every time somebody (like, say, *me*) thought "the world could sure use my insight!," that somebody would just keep their mouth shut...well, the world (or at least Autopia) would be a less contentious place.



I go off on pedantic rants often enough as it is :rolleyes: :o
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LOL, I delete two for every one I post. I'm opinionated enough as it is without sharing it every time I feel the urge.





Tom
 
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