So some guy tapes his dog's mouth shut to keep him from barking....

Haha, I don't mean to continue this madness, but I don't have the same self-control that Accumulator does... :D



Mosca said:
No, that was laziness and sloppiness. If I wanted to know the answer, I would have Googled it and found pictures of both defendants (you can, they're out there). My point was to make you think that it could be true, which, like I said, was lazy.
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Yes, your point is that it COULD be true, but my point once again is that you're making a hypothetical argument to further your point. It doesn't really matter if you were right or wrong about their races. When using a hypothetical scenario, one can make a good case for just about anything, no matter how ridiculous. Not saying your point is ridiculous....just saying that concocting a hypothetical scenario to make a point doesn't hold much water.



Mosca said:
As far as Santa Monica and Harvard, the sum total of available knowledge is the same everywhere in the world; the value is in the perception of the degree, not in what is actually learned! Now THAT is some real thread drift!
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Well, that's a nice POV that I can almost agree with...but it really doesn't pertain much to what I was saying. The quality of the education (which is strongly determined by the student's initiative and ability to control or better his or her educational experience) taking precedence over the prestige of the institution attended is something I already know and agree with.
 
Mezz: I conceded that first one to you, dude!



For the schools, I was just goofing, taking your suggestion and riffing on it. There are so many other things that go into it, not the least of which is being in the presence of other students of high caliber, but also the presence of better libraries, proximity to other great schools, better instructors, and other things; it would take a genuinely extraordinary student to get as much from Santa Monica U as he or she could from Harvard. Carrying my argument to the extreme, I could have said that all things are available to be known, independent of the school. Or as Stephen Wright put it, "I have the world's largest seashell collection. Perhaps you've seen it. I keep it scattered on the beaches."



I have a daughter that wants to go Ivy League. We'll be lucky to afford Penn State. I fell victim to the prestige trap when I was young, and I don't want her to. I'm trying to impress upon her that it isn't the SCHOOL that creates the quality of the education, it's what's inside her that's going to do it.



Scottwax, I'm curious; in the second instance, was the VICTIM black? How about the dog? I bet the dog was white, dude.





Tom
 
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