Review: Meguiar's: NXT Tech Wax

myall00 said:
I know I'm going to be slammed by Zainophiles but I'm still going to say this......if you look at different cars with each prepared by Zaino and other top brands such as AIO twins, S100 etc etc, I'm sure you cannot pick up the Zaino'ed car from the crowd just by gazing at it.
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I'm no Zainophile, I've never used it; I'm probably closer to a Meguiarsophile. But I bet I could pick the Zaino'd cars out of the crowd. Zaino users tend to be much stricter about following the regimen, and that is part of the reason for the excellent results; the process is made to be part of the product. Go to any Corvette show, and I'll bet you could pick the Zaino users out to a statistically signifigant degree.





Tom
 
Matt M said:


In the end, I am still wondering if a spread of 2% to 10% is "normal" for these types of products. (I'd understand a 5% to 7% gap) I find it hard to believe that this wide a difference would not have an impact on a product's...ANY product's capabilities.
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It does seem pretty typical of how contents are reported on MSDS sheets. That is not very obvious though because very few of the manufacturers of the products we all use make their MSDS sheets publicly available as Meguiars does.



Here is an example from 3M who does make their MSDS sheets available. You will notice wide ranges in the percentage by volume there as well.



http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebserver.dyn?333333Dk2OKOdODQ3gKQx66oyux3c5KJ6OK3FQw--



Another possible explanation for the variation in the MSDS and to me far more likely is that the variation is there to allow for changes in the formula without having to re-issue a new MSDS.



NXT certainly isn't unique in the fact that people get varying results from it. I have been here for 2 years and let me tell you there isn't anything relating to detailing that you won't see people get varying results from.
 
Matt M said:
I read somewhere here that NXT contained AS MUCH AS 10% silicone, and Mike countered with AS LITTLE AS 2%. I posed a question to find out which is correct. 2% salt in a recipe versus 10% would make a big difference and I wondered if this wide range could have something to do with the varying results users are getting with NXT.
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FYI, I believe this comes from the MSDS. This is not a range in order to account for manufacturing inconsistencies, but is a range because the document is for safe storage and use of the product. It is not a recipe. The percentage gives you some idea of how much of a substance is in it. Like 40-70% water gives you an idea that there's a fair amount of water. "contains water" would be less useful since it could be .00001% water, or it could be a relabeled Perrier bottle. For things like reactivity and flammability and health risks, it serves to help quantify the amount without being a recipe for the stuff.



It's not that this is as consistently as they can make the stuff. You could mix up stuff with your kitchen utensils to a greater tolerance than that...
 
Aurora...agreed!



I remember seeing on this site (I think) that someone compared NXT and #20 and I believe they used MSDS information. Again, if memory serves me...that info said 10%....not a range....10%. It is Mike that says 2%. Over a number of posts Mike and myself have gotten to writing "as much as " or "as little as".



As I said above, I am wondering not only which percentage is correct...or is this the actual percentage "spread" that is considered acceptable. As also mentioned above...it would seem to me that if indeed the actual spread is this wide....it could be part of the varying degrees of success that users are having.
 
Matt M said:


As I said above, I am wondering not only which percentage is correct...or is this the actual percentage "spread" that is considered acceptable. As also mentioned above...it would seem to me that if indeed the actual spread is this wide....it could be part of the varying degrees of success that users are having.
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I think the whole issue is way overblown. Show me any wax or sealant that people don't get varying results with.
 
I hope the Pro version will come in the ol Tan and Maroon bottles. For some reason I love that old school look the Pro Line has. I wonder which number it'll get?
 
Matt M said:
Again, if memory serves me...that info said 10%....not a range....10%. It is Mike that says 2%.
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Memory let you down... ;)



<table border="1"><td>Components</td><td> CAS #</td><td>% Weight</td><td>OSHA PEL</td><td>EINECS No.</td><td>Classification</td><tr>

<td>Polysiloxane</td><td>63148-62-9</td><td>2-10</td><td>None</td><td>---</td><td>---</td></tr></table>



And I'm not sure what you mean by that spread being "acceptable". For an MSDS, it certainly is. That doesn't mean that's their quality control level. Water is listed at 40-60%. Does that mean that they can't control their ingredients to the tune of 3+ ounces of water per bottle? :rolleyes:
 
Aurora...sorry to take so long to respond, I was away.



I remember seeing somewhere (here, I thought) that someone had cut & pasted a comparison between #20 and NXT. I thought it was not a spread, but 10%. I'll even concede for sake of discussion that the spread was listed as above.



It's very possible that this 2-10% is an acceptable range for an MSDS.



Either way, your question..."Does that mean that they can't control their ingredients to the tune of 3+ ounces of water per bottle?"....is EXACTLY what I have been posing. As I wrote earlier...if indeed this 2-10% is "acceptable" for the actual manufactured product...(which I find hard to believe...they MUST be better at rationing product ingredients than that) that could help explain the varying results from different folks.
 
I just got off the phone with a chemist and he told me that the regulations for writing MSD sheets require that companies only have to list hazardous ingredients, and they only have to list the amount of these ingredients in a range, not the specific amount, otherwise that would be forcing the company to give away too much information about the formula.



Meguiar's lists many ingredients in their MSD sheet that are not hazardous because Meguiar’s is an honest company and doesn't have anything to hide.



So Matt, the numbers in an MSD sheet are a general range not because a company cannot control the manufacturing process, (which you seem to assert), but because companies are not required to list specific percentages.



Does this answer you question Matt?



Mike
 
With all due respect Mike, I did not assert that Meguiar's is too incompetent to get the mix of their ingredients accurate. If you read my response above, you will see that I wrote "they MUST be better at rationing product ingredients than that". I merely wondered why there was so wide a range, and thought that if indeed this was "acceptable" in the industry, it could explain varying degrees of success in products. Not just Meguiar's.



Re-read my posts.



You will also see that I do completely understand what MSDS are for. If you had read my post earlier in this very thread...I wrote what the purpose of an MSDS is, you did not need to call a chemist for that.



Does your response answer my question? No. And at this point, I could care less how much silicone is really in NXT...I was not pleased with my results of NXT...and I'm not using it. It's obvious that Meguiar's doesn't want the public to know the "real" percentage due to 'privacy issues"...and that's okay....it's all about protecting your product.
 
Matt M said:
Does your response answer my question? No. And at this point, I could care less how much silicone is really in NXT...I was not pleased with my results of NXT...and I'm not using it. It's obvious that Meguiar's doesn't want the public to know the "real" percentage due to 'privacy issues"...and that's okay....it's all about protecting your product.
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Is it just Meguiar's that you are having a hard time getting the exact ingredient percentages? By that I mean, are all of the other wax companies readily supplying you with their formulas?



How about MSD sheets? Have you found most wax companies readily making their MSD sheets available?



How about that list of ingredients and the percentages for the products you use? Were you able to get those from the MSD sheet?



I'm sorry to hear that you were not pleased with your results. I have another Viper Clinic coming up perhaps you could attend?





Viper Clinic



So far, every Viper I have applied the Tech Wax to, with or without prep work, (depending on whether or not it needed it), the results have been nothing short of stellar. I have not met a single person that has seen Newport Viper's Viper in person that hasn't agreed his paint looks like it's dripping wet.



But if you're not pleased with it on you car, that's okay... we know we're not going to please everyone, we would like to, but in reality, that's never going to happen.



Mike
 
Matt M. For goodness sakes, are you that dense? The MSDS is not a recipe! If you don't like the product, OK. Just don't try to make a scientific case for your stand if you don't know what you're talking about.



Ray J Jicka aka Gadfly
 
Isn't the purpose of the MSDS to supply the user with a general idea of what may be harmful in the product in case it is injested or splashed in the eyes .. and also supplied for storage purposes so its not stored with items that may cause issues if spilled and mixed together and also for the Fire Dept in case there is a fire that way they have an idea what chemicals are on site and how to address them.



MSDS is not a chemical recipy.



MSDS is regulated under Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System (WHMIS) legislation.
 
Gadfly. Dense? No, how' bout you? Read my reponses, you;ll see that I understand about MSDS, and even wrote that mixing ingredients would have to be more exact than the MSDS says.



I am not making a "scientific stand"....I was trying to find about what the "real" percentage of silicone is...not what the MSDS says...seems like too wide a spread for actual manufacturing. But..we're not going to find that out. Trade secret, you know. Again, read my replies....no scientific anything.



Mike P, I know you work for Meguiar's and I would expect you to argue the merits of your products. The endless pics of cars with NXT applied don't impress me. I could post as many pics of cars with no polish or wax that would look as good on the internet.



Finally, you continually ask me about the MSDS from other companies. I haven't asked for any. In fact, I did not ask for the MSDS for NXT either. Quite a while ago, on another forum, NXT was brought up as the greatest new thing. I responded that I understood it to contain silicones. I was soundly admonished and was told that there are no, repeat....NO silicones. This was according to a poster that was enamored with NXT and was told (according to him) that Meguiar's said no silicones...just a straight LSP. This was later corrected by yourself, Mike. Thanks.



I have promised myself not to get involved in any more NXT discussion. There's no sense in arguing here, we're not going to change anyone's minds.



In the end, if it works for you...great...all the best.
 
I think that NXT is great, its easy to use and gives a super shine, what else do you want? I also think that Nano, Turtle Ultra, And Color X are also great products . If you want long term beading and slickness use a QD or WAUD, if you think that Zaino and Klasse are Gods gift to detailers then use it . All the new products on the market are pretty good , so use what looks good to you.
 
lawrencea said:
I think that NXT is great, its easy to use and gives a super shine, what else do you want?
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I, for one, would like > two weeks durability, and no smearing when I try to wipe residue off.



I honestly have no idea why there's been such a wide variety of experiences with NXT, but there it is. It gave my silver WRX an interesting look . . . darkened the silver, lending the appearance of greater depth to the paint, but it toned down the metallic "pop" at the same time. Unfortunately, it didn't stand up to road salt, lasting only a couple of weeks in winter conditions.



I don't care if it contains silicone, goat urine, or Everlasting Gobstoppers; it didn't work well for me. YMMV, of course.



Tort
 
"Mike...I do understand about MSDS." Again, do you really know what you are talking about? Cite your credentials. Like Mike, I'll wait.



Gadfly
 
"My Dad's weatherbeaten Taurus wagon sure looks a ton better since a quick coat of CW." I think that this quote extablishes the base-line for this thread. Read your PMs, Matt.



Gadfly
 
Gadfly, I don't know why you have decided that this is your fight.



If you read the posts you will see that I originally was posting my test with NXT. The reason for the Taurus comment was more to make the point that ANY pic can look good on the internet.



I did check my PMs, thanks for your concern.



As requested, here is what I understand about MSDS.



A Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) is designed to provide both workers and emergency personnel with the proper procedures for handling or working with a particular substance. MSDS's include information such as physical data (melting point, boiling point, flash point etc.), toxicity, health effects, first aid, reactivity, storage, disposal, protective equipment, andspill/leak procedures. These are of particular use if a spill or other accident occurs.



As you can see, they are not the recipe for a product, nor did I ever write that they were. My question was about the ability of the car care companies to accurately ration the ingredients.



Shouldn't your concern as an Autopian be more along the lines of the quality of a product than whether or not another member knows what an MSDS is?
 
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