Removing vs hiding

Hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but I have a rotary in my hands at least 25 hours per week, and sometimes even more.



At least 65% of the vehicles we do are black.



We subscribe to the "use the least aggressive" theory.



We apply the "least aggressive" philosophy, and the PC is frequently our first apppoach.



We 'test' the forward psgr side of a hood on each car. Whatever works there, we use throughout the car. Usually.



It can be done, BUT, it depends on the vehicle's condition, and the operator's skill.



Jim
 
Hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but I have a rotary in my hands at least 25 hours per week, and sometimes even more.



At least 65% of the vehicles we do are black.



We subscribe to the "use the least aggressive" theory.



We apply the "least aggressive" philosophy, and the PC is frequently our first apppoach.



We 'test' the forward psgr side of a hood on each car. Whatever works there, we use throughout the car. Usually.



It can be done, BUT, it depends on the vehicle's condition, and the operator's skill.



Jim
 
I've had great luck using Optimum Polish with a Meguiars polishing pad removing rotary swirls and holograms. Honestly, I find that most rotary swirls come out more easily that spider/halo swirls.
 
I've had great luck using Optimum Polish with a Meguiars polishing pad removing rotary swirls and holograms. Honestly, I find that most rotary swirls come out more easily that spider/halo swirls.
 
turbomangt said:
I had a customer bring me a car that was detailed elsewhere and he heard about me after the fact. When he got the car back from X detailer it looked fine. a month later he saw the same swirls come back. Since I rarely use a rotary (seems like I have not mastered it) due to the fact I introduce more swirls, my go to machines are the DeWalt 443 and the cyclo. It seems to work fine using a more aggessive pad and compound for paint correcting. I wondered what other people are using that don't use the rotary much for removing swirls. Feedback appreciated. Gary
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Sounds like they used filler products and after a couple washes the swirls came back.



I generally use the rotary from start to finnish. 3m fine cut with compound pad, MG and then FPII with polish pads. I find that MG might leave some marring. Or IP and FPII with polish pad depending on the job.
 
turbomangt said:
I had a customer bring me a car that was detailed elsewhere and he heard about me after the fact. When he got the car back from X detailer it looked fine. a month later he saw the same swirls come back. Since I rarely use a rotary (seems like I have not mastered it) due to the fact I introduce more swirls, my go to machines are the DeWalt 443 and the cyclo. It seems to work fine using a more aggessive pad and compound for paint correcting. I wondered what other people are using that don't use the rotary much for removing swirls. Feedback appreciated. Gary
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Sounds like they used filler products and after a couple washes the swirls came back.



I generally use the rotary from start to finnish. 3m fine cut with compound pad, MG and then FPII with polish pads. I find that MG might leave some marring. Or IP and FPII with polish pad depending on the job.
 
Jimmy Buffit said:
Hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but I have a rotary in my hands at least 25 hours per week, and sometimes even more...It can be done, BUT, it depends on the vehicle's condition, and the operator's skill.Jim
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Heh heh, it certainly doesn't sound arrogant to me, considering your experience ;)



I just always wonder about doing repeated correction on a vehicle that's gonna need it again next time...at what point do you worry about running out of paint? I certainly see it on vehicles that are properly cared for, I seldom need to polish more than once a year if that, but for the average person I dunno. If my non-Autopian friends had their paint perfectly corrected whenever they needed a "wax job" they'd be out of clear in a couple of years (maybe wouldn't matter if they lease, trade frequently, etc.). These people scratch their paint up something awful by my standards, it'd require some serious rotary work every time.



Is this something you pros have to consider of doesn't it really come up?
 
Jimmy Buffit said:
Hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but I have a rotary in my hands at least 25 hours per week, and sometimes even more...It can be done, BUT, it depends on the vehicle's condition, and the operator's skill.Jim
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Heh heh, it certainly doesn't sound arrogant to me, considering your experience ;)



I just always wonder about doing repeated correction on a vehicle that's gonna need it again next time...at what point do you worry about running out of paint? I certainly see it on vehicles that are properly cared for, I seldom need to polish more than once a year if that, but for the average person I dunno. If my non-Autopian friends had their paint perfectly corrected whenever they needed a "wax job" they'd be out of clear in a couple of years (maybe wouldn't matter if they lease, trade frequently, etc.). These people scratch their paint up something awful by my standards, it'd require some serious rotary work every time.



Is this something you pros have to consider of doesn't it really come up?
 
Accumulator,



This might be a good case for the technician to keep a file of paint thickness records for clients who fit the profile you describe. They can show the client the numbers as real justification for no longer truly removing defects once they've reached that point. The measurements may just get them better thinking about how the vehicle is cared for in between detailing appointments.
 
Accumulator,



This might be a good case for the technician to keep a file of paint thickness records for clients who fit the profile you describe. They can show the client the numbers as real justification for no longer truly removing defects once they've reached that point. The measurements may just get them better thinking about how the vehicle is cared for in between detailing appointments.
 
Bill D said:
Accumulator,



This might be a good case for the technician to keep a file of paint thickness records for clients who fit the profile you describe. They can show the client the numbers as real justification for no longer truly removing defects once they've reached that point. The measurements may just get them better thinking about how the vehicle is cared for in between detailing appointments.
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I like this idea FWIW.
 
Bill D said:
Accumulator,



This might be a good case for the technician to keep a file of paint thickness records for clients who fit the profile you describe. They can show the client the numbers as real justification for no longer truly removing defects once they've reached that point. The measurements may just get them better thinking about how the vehicle is cared for in between detailing appointments.
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I like this idea FWIW.
 
In the case of aluminum cars, if the detailers see enough of them, they'd have to step up to the $1000+ ETG models or equivalent.
 
In the case of aluminum cars, if the detailers see enough of them, they'd have to step up to the $1000+ ETG models or equivalent.
 
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