Removing polish/wax???

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JaCkaL829

it was my first time...
What do you guys use to remove your polish and wax? I was always under the impression that MF are the best to use to remove polish residue and to buff off wax. Anyway I just got back a response from Irene @ TOL, when I was asking some questions about TS. She strongly recommended to buff out wax with either a terry or diaper. I just got some of PakShak's Ultra Fine MFs and figured these would be best for wiping off my wax, but now i'm second thinking it. Any second opinions on this topic would be appreciated :xyxthumbs



I wrote:



Thank you Irene for that response. Sound like Trade Secret is a nice wax to work with. I just have one question concerning your application and removal. You said let it haze and remove with a terry or diaper. Doesn't that seem to be taking a step backwards in technology?

From what I have gathered on the detailing forums from enthusiasts as well as the professionals is that MF are pretty much superior in every way then your standard terry pads and diapers. Especially for your paint; i.e. removing polish, wax, etc. I found that very weird that you wouldn't recommend the use of a MF.

John



Irene's repsonse:



John, I hate to say it, but your sources are incorrect in recommending MF to buff-off fresh wax of any kind. MF is designed to "pull-off" oils, grease, or any smearing residue. It doesn't discriminate between these films and wax. You will be removing the wax you just applied! Once the wax has cured overnight, it's perfectly fine to wipe with MF. We do offer a suede MF towel and bonnet that can be used on fresh wax, but they have zero texture and slide across the wax.



MF isn't the "end all" when it comes to towels. Nothing can compare with MF for glass cleaning, but I still believe the right terry towel is more absorbent for drying, more efficient for removing polishes, and diapers win hands-down, for waxing. I only recommend a terry pad for applying paint cleaners, if one doesn't have a machine. Waxes are best applied with foam.



Also, on the high-end waxes. Let them start to haze before you remove.

Irene Bernado
 
I use my Sonus Der Wunder Buffing towels exclusivley to remove Carnuba wax they wrok fantasticly I dont use any other towel for Carnuba.



The waxes I use them with:



P21s

Nattys

Souveran

Signature

CMW

Megs 16



I have a fair few Pakshak Ultra Fines these work great too, I tend to use thes for my final wipe down though.
 
I like Irene and give her business, so I don't want to be construed as :argue with her. But my experiences are that MFs, both suede-style and plush, work great for LSP removal. I've certainly never had problems with plush ones taking off too much LSP or suede-style ones not fully removing carnaubas. Having used MFs with many different LSPs, I can't imagine going back to cotton. I have some nice, soft, new, reserged Charismas, but I don't use them for this. If cotton were best, I'd have noticed and I'd use them instead of MF.



What I *have* had happen is various kinds of trouble when using cotton towels.
 
I agree with accumulator .. I have some pretty high end cotton towels and if you have an absolutely swirl free black car they will mar it removing the LSP.. and a diaper .. well its to sh*t in .. not to remove the LSP. And if they are marring black they are marring silver .. you just don't notice it.
 
Thanks for the input so far.



I think i'd rather take the chance of "shortening" my wax/sealant's durability then induce marring. Afterall I have a BLACK ACURA, so it swirls up pretty easy :furious:

The last thing I would want to see as i'm removing my wax/sealant after a full day of detailing is slight marring, which i'm pretty sure would occur.
 
There are some waxes like Meguiars mold release wax that require a terry towel as an MF towel will remove too much product. The main difference between MF and terry towels is that the loops are cut to make MF towels so you can buy terry towels that are as soft and similar grade to MF towels made of the same material. MF towels do pull off more wax than the equivalent terry towel but in a gentler way and a high quality terry towel made for car detailing will not mar the surface anymore than an MF towel. It comes down to preference and the type of wax you use. For a hard wax like Meg's #16, terry would have a little more bite to get the wax off than MF towels that have to be worked harder and the harder you work there's more risk of marring just from picking up a contaminant, not from the towel itself. Then there's waxes like their NXT Tech Wax that I feel comes off better with an MF towel. Now if you are totally confused and can't decide, consider the Meguiars Duo-Fiber towels, they are half & half terry/MF. Also, do not confuse detailing terry towels with cheap utlity terry towels that I get 40 for $10 at Costco, those are great for cleaning interiors and wheels but I can see why someone would try and use that for removing wax and it causing marring.
 
buellwinkle said:
For a hard wax like Meg's #16, terry would have a little more bite to get the wax off than MF towels that have to be worked harder and the harder you work there's more risk of marring just from picking up a contaminant...
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Guess the real answer here is to use what works for you. With Meg's #16, I generally use the TOL suede-style MF bonnets (on a Cyclo) followed by a hand buff with a CBT. I've heard people (including Mike Phillips, who certainly knows what he's talking about) say to use terry for #16, but I find it comes off fine with MFs as long as I don't use more than I need to. But then I probably apply my LSPs thinner than most people.
 
JohnnyDaJackal said:
I wrote:



Thank you Irene for that response. Sound like Trade Secret is a nice wax to work with. I just have one question concerning your application and removal. You said let it haze and remove with a terry or diaper. Doesn't that seem to be taking a step backwards in technology?

From what I have gathered on the detailing forums from enthusiasts as well as the professionals is that MF are pretty much superior in every way then your standard terry pads and diapers. Especially for your paint; i.e. removing polish, wax, etc. I found that very weird that you wouldn't recommend the use of a MF.

John



Irene's repsonse:



John, I hate to say it, but your sources are incorrect in recommending MF to buff-off fresh wax of any kind. MF is designed to "pull-off" oils, grease, or any smearing residue. It doesn't discriminate between these films and wax.
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So, a diaper will discriminate between films of oils/grease and wax?
 
Eh, if it works for her that's cool. I have a black car, I've always had black cars - I'll never use terry again. MF just works 100x better for me in every respect, be it removal of polish, wax residue, quick detailing, you name it.
 
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