Removing light swirls on jet black BMW.

dinosaur12 said:
Without beating this to death. Can anyone confirm that they have worked on BMW white and it is a hard paint? Is the Jet Black the only super soft paint BMW has?



Really want to know this as I am looking to buy and really liked the white but if its a PITA to care for I can change colors
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tdekany said:
White is very hard. Just get one with the wrapper on it and DO NOT let them touch the car.
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Erm, lol again at this I guess. I managed to do it easily with my PC+orange LC+Prima Swirl. This was yet another e46 200x :xyxthumbs



I don't have pics this time but the owner swirled it up again quite nicely so I'll be doing it again soon :faint:
 
eyezack87 said:
Erm, lol again at this I guess. I managed to do it easily with my PC+orange LC+Prima Swirl. This was yet another e46 200x :xyxthumbs
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how are you liking the prima swirl and how does it compare to some of the other polishes you have used?
 
eyezack87 said:
Erm, lol again at this I guess. This was yet another e46 200x :xyxthumbs
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LOL back to you. You need to read what the actual car people are talking about here.



You are correcting the older version 3 series. Must be new to detailing. You will learn with time and experience that paint quality changes from model to model.



No way will you correct a new bj paint with the pc.



The e46 m3 jb is an excellent paint to correct.



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This was a brand new e92 off the truck after 2 washes.





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This is what the new 3 series looks like.



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All the flat colors on 06+ 3 series are soft. I know some people have met with hard alpine whites but I haven't. Alpine white, Jet black, and Crimson red (the three flat colors) are all soft in my experience. The metallics are quite a bit harder, don't ask me why because I have no idea, but that's been my experience with 3 series e90/e92/e93's and e60 5-series. Alpine is easier to work on, being white of course, but I still find it very soft.



If I had a jb 3 series I'd wash it as in-frequently as possible and dry with a leaf blower when I did. I'd lightly polish twice a year with a rotary; black pad and something like FPII.



So, cliff notes. IME on all *CURRENT* bmws flat colors (aw, jb, cr) are soft.
 
BigAl3 said:
how are you liking the prima swirl and how does it compare to some of the other polishes you have used?
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I like it. Seems to be quite similar to SIP from my experiences with my PC. Going to play with it on my new Makita when I get the chance to see how well it does since it was only made for PC. Richard uses it with his rotary but iono how big the learning curve is :sadpace:



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tdekany (don't want to quote you lol)- I never back down from a challenge and I am not new to detailing either. I am quite aware that each model/year has its differences but I have worked my magic on 90-06 models of brand without a hitch. I'm pretty sure if I tried it I would be able to do quite a nice one-step on JB with orange and SIP or be able to finish it down pretty well. My most recent car was an 08 Volvo C30 in red and it worked yet again with my one step combo. Now, I don't want to sound mean or anything but you sort of remind me of the MOL people who keep telling me I can't take out wetsanding marks with a PC. However, I have done that and have had great success with it (no pics of process because I didn't think it was that big of a deal :faint:). Iono man, I've been known to do some crazy stuff with my PC that people tend to turn away from :woot2:



Now, I don't know if this is rare or not but I also finished a portion of a test Jag bootlid 100% and from what I could tell in the brief sun we had, hologram free. This was my first time using a rotary too since I snapped my PC into 2 pieces during the Volvo detail.



I'll be down to the local body shops to request an e92 JB trunk in the upcoming weeks just to challenge myself on this softer paint. Hopefully by then my PC will be back from the repair center.
 
eyezack87 - lol, what is mentioning a volvo have anything to do with what many considers the worst paint right now available? My experience with this jb I mentioned has nothing to do with being right or wrong. It is a fact



You just go and request a NEW Jet Black to work on. Watch the paint marr while wiping it with a brand new fluffy MF towel. I can also do magic with the pc, but when I tried it on the new JB paint it chewed up the paint with any polish I tried it with.



PS: I hope Picus doesn't mind me quoting him from an older thread of mine but these are his words.







I wanted to bump this thread; I am detailing a 328xi (black) right now and am experiencing the same problem. This paint is unbelievably soft, so soft I am sort of at a loss on how to finish down cleanly on it. I don't want to jump to any conclusions on black e92's; I have another Saturday and will report back on it when i see it, but this is troublesome.
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Update (sorry for the jack, I will post a new one if you like), I just finished working on the hood of this car and it's a total nightmare. I think I have it under control now (106ff/grey/rotary @800rpm); but it's marring while I wipe off polish residue in some cases.
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Picus said:
All the flat colors on 06+ 3 series are soft. I know some people have met with hard alpine whites but I haven't. Alpine white, Jet black, and Crimson red (the three flat colors) are all soft in my experience. The metallics are quite a bit harder, don't ask me why because I have no idea, but that's been my experience with 3 series e90/e92/e93's and e60 5-series. Alpine is easier to work on, being white of course, but I still find it very soft.



If I had a jb 3 series I'd wash it as in-frequently as possible and dry with a leaf blower when I did. I'd lightly polish twice a year with a rotary; black pad and something like FPII.



So, cliff notes. IME on all *CURRENT* bmws flat colors (aw, jb, cr) are soft.
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Thanks for this info, really helps me in my color decision.
 
tdekany said:
eyezack87 - lol, what is mentioning a volvo have anything to do with what many considers the worst paint right now available? My experience with this jb I mentioned has nothing to do with being right or wrong. It is a fact



You just go and request a NEW Jet Black to work on. Watch the paint marr while wiping it with a brand new fluffy MF towel. I can also do magic with the pc, but when I tried it on the new JB paint it chewed up the paint with any polish I tried it with.



PS: I hope Picus doesn't mind me quoting him from an older thread of mine but these are his words.
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Not at all. I'd be shocked and amazed to see someone finish down LSP ready with an LC orange pad and SIP on any machine on an e90/e92/e93 jb car (after a prepsol wipedown, of course). I've worked on quite a few '06+ jb bmws (if I had to guess I'd say I've compounded over 30 of them) and I've yet to run into a single one that I could have finished down well on with a cutting pad. I consider myself pretty ok with a rotary, but ya...if someone can finish down with an orange pad on modern jb bmw paint that's awesome, I can't. I do think this is the first time I've read about someone finishing a current model jb bmw with a cutting pad (without holograms).



The first few AW e90s I worked on ('06's) didn't seem too bad to me. Since them I've run into a number of soft AWs. It's hard to say if they are as bad as JB since it's tougher to see the "rainbow marring" you see so often on JBs, but I think it's close. CR is just as bad as JB ime, very soft, very easy to marr.



The first jb e92 I worked on was this one: 2007 BMW 335i Jet Black



That car had 11km on it, one dealer wash. Finished with 106ff on a black pad @~800 rpm.



Oh, re: the PC. I've used a PC on jb BMWs (although I admit I am a rotary guy and am much better with it). I don't think I could finish down without hazing on a jb car with a cutting pad. Maybe with a white or black pad, but orange is just too hard for that paint, ime.
 
Maybe TotolandMach can chime in; he always works wonders with those black BMWs.



mshu7 said:
Sorry to be a little off-topic, but can someone explain what e90/e92/e93 is? Are those all 3-series or what?
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E90 is the current 3-series sedan, E92 is the coupe (coupé for the Europeans), and E93 is the cabrio. There's also an E91, the wagon, but we don't get it in the US.



dinosaur12 said:
Thanks for this info, really helps me in my color decision.
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Yeah, I've decided against Jet Black a long time ago. Sometime in the future I hope to buy a BMW but it won't be JB.
 
mshu7 said:
Sorry to be a little off-topic, but can someone explain what e90/e92/e93 is? Are those all 3-series or what?
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Yes. e90/e/91/e92/e93 are the BMW chassis designations. e90s are current model 3 series sedans, e91 are station wagons, e92s are coupes, and e93's are hard top convertibles. Current 5 series are e60s and e61s (sedan and station wagon), 7 series are e65 (regular wheelbase) and e66 (long wheelbase). e86 is the current m coupe. 1 series are e81 and e87 (3 and 5 door hatch) and e82 and e88 (coupe and cabriolet).
 
Hmm, call me stubborn or whatever but I'm still going to take a stab at it. Ever since I kept getting flamed in certain forums for taking out wetsanding scratches with PCs its been hard to trust anyone. You'll prolly hear back from me sometime. I bookmarked the thread for this purpose alone :)
 
Well, fwiw, I am not flaming you. If you can remove marring and finish clean to your satisfaction on current model jb paint with an orange pad then that's really all there is to it. It is contrary to most people's experience, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
 
Picus said:
Well, fwiw, I am not flaming you. If you can remove marring and finish clean to your satisfaction on current model jb paint with an orange pad then that's really all there is to it. It is contrary to most people's experience, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
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No worries Picus. I might have gone on the defensive too soon to tdekany thats all. My bad guys :sadwavey:



Well, going on my stubborn statement, its more like a belief that anything is possible, the impossible just takes longer :waxing:. I pretty much challenge myself in this as much as I can. The satisfaction of getting it right outweighs the satisfaction in proving people wrong. So far its turned out quite well for me :)
 
eyezack87 said:
No worries Picus. I might have gone on the defensive too soon to tdekany thats all. My bad guys :sadwavey:



Well, going on my stubborn statement, its more like a belief that anything is possible, the impossible just takes longer :waxing:. I pretty much challenge myself in this as much as I can. The satisfaction of getting it right outweighs the satisfaction in proving people wrong. So far its turned out quite well for me :)
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No issue here either. AND "almost" anything is possible. :D



Thank god today we (Conan777 & me) had the pleasure of working on an 02 330i in one of those graphite gray colors. Came out stunning.
 
Gotta love Sparkling Graphite. :) My car is literally like 100x harder than the JBs I've worked on. As for the JBs, I guess anything is possible. Lord knows I've tired 100's of different combos, it's possible condition plays a role, who knows.
 
Picus said:
Gotta love Sparkling Graphite. :) My car is literally like 100x harder than the JBs I've worked on. As for the JBs, I guess anything is possible. Lord knows I've tired 100's of different combos, it's possible condition plays a role, who knows.
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Well you are better man than me. After the first "New" JB detail I promised myself never to work on them ever again.:waxing::waxing::waxing::D:D:D
 
tdekany said:
No issue here either. AND "almost" anything is possible. :D



Thank god today we (Conan777 & me) had the pleasure of working on an 02 330i in one of those graphite gray colors. Came out stunning.
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Lol, if I keep going on with my track record, expect another broken PC from me after a decent job on a JB :soscared:
 
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