Reasonable price for David Fermani to Opti Coat a NEW car?

DetailBurger said:
Detail Works had my car from 8am until about 4pm at $350 and the car looked 1,000% brand new perfection. So I guess I can use that as my guideline. That is 8 hours with most likely an hour lunch break? LOL. So 7 hours ... $350 .... is my experience, and why I am having difficulty with 20 hours $1,700.





Of course. I agree. But someone can take 40 hours to clean a car if they want to. Keep that in mind. As for how much time will be needed? Its a new car. I've driven it for 4 weeks. So that should give you a decent idea of how much cleaning is needed prior to the detailing. I dont want to be quoted 20 hours when it may really only need 7 hours of work. That's why I am asking if 20 hours and $1700 is reasonable for a brand new car needing opti coat.



Unfortunately you didn't answer the question you quoted. Is $1,700 a fair price for what is involved?



Please note... this is a BRAND NEW CAR. It rolled off the lot 1 month ago. It has a brand new paint job that was completed 2 months ago. This isnt a 1980 BMW that needs extensive work. Its brand new. Not a single scuff or chip on it, anywhere. The wheels are also 1 month old. Brand new. I just wanted to get my rims and paint sealed. As part of this, the items need minor cleaning and polishing from only 4 weeks of driving. Cost should not be a mystery.
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They did a full detail in 8hrs? I wonder how many people they had working on the car at one time. I did a paint correction on a 2 door Toyota Yaris, removed all swirls and got as many RIDS as I could in the time I had and it took me all of 8 hours. NO interior NO wheels NO engine just wash, sprayed with Wolf Decon Gel, clay, polished and sealed. I could have done a little less on the polishing and it would have looked good for most customer but not what I knew this customer was looking for. Oh and I did not stop for lunch only a few sips of water as I worked.

The area of the country I am in I do not see charging $65 an hour I usually get around $40-45 an hour. I can very well see a detail on a BLACK car that has been repainted taking over 15hrs to detail, then add the Opti Coat to it being an additional $300-400 on top of the detail itself.

A lot of detail shops, even ones that are praised for such great work, really do not do the best jobs. They have a lot of inexperienced people working on the car at one time. Most use volume shop products that may look good because they are hiding the true look of the paint and not fixing the problems. There are 2 shops here that get great praises all over from word of mouth, reviews onlines and even car dealers using them. Well the dealer here used them and blew some $$$ and then asked me if I could fix it becuase the customer was about to back out of the deal. I am not saying all are like this, not saying the shop in CA is like this. but just like in most cases you get what you pay for, unless you run into the one a-hole that is just trying to rip you off. Do you research, get multiple quotes, ask a lot of questions then make your decision
 
who ever doesnt shop around and ask questions is a fool. its called being a smart consumer. Why cant people just answer a question and keep it moving, who cares. All this coating stuff is just hype and marketing, and since most people just want to be on a bandwagon all it takes is one well know detailer ( whos is being paid by the company) to say this is such a great product and everyone wants to try it. Its funny ever since 3D bought Autopia all the well know detailers praise their products. 3D has been around for years, I never seen one post from these same detailers praising their products.
 
way to make a new account and put your 2 cents in. you were fishing the first time trying to get some one to tell you the price was to much money. just give it up eaither pay the price or go some where else.
 
stotte20 said:
way to make a new account and put your 2 cents in. you were fishing the first time trying to get some one to tell you the price was to much money. just give it up eaither pay the price or go some where else.
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Not that I'm agreeing with what he said, but the user whose post you're referring to has a join date of January 2008 - so not exactly a new account...
 
umi000 said:
Not that I'm agreeing with what he said, but the user whose post you're referring to has a join date of January 2008 - so not exactly a new account...
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Looks like it was worth the wait, too. Three years of biding his time just to jump in here with that stinging remark. Whoa, Autopia and 3D must be reeling from the blow.



And as for being a smart consumer, yeah I don't see it. If you call one detailer and his price is too high for you, call another. Quality doesn't come cheap, though, as should be evident to someone driving a 6-series on HREs. A smart consumer will shop around for the best price for the quality he can live with, not go online to a forum where he KNOWS this detailer is a key member and start a thread in hopes of bringing some ammo to bargain with.



Try this as a "smart consumer". Walk into a Mercedes dealership with 40k in your pocket and tell them you want a loaded S-class. When they say no, tell them that same amount will buy you a Lexus or Infiniti. Let us know what they say. Then go to a Mercedes forum and bash that dealership for gouging. Pretty smart, right?
 
biggiepee said:
Its funny ever since 3D bought Autopia all the well know detailers praise their products. 3D has been around for years, I never seen one post from these same detailers praising their products.
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That may be true and it also may be true that product development isn't stagnant. In just a few years the market has exploded with some pretty cool new stuff. So continue to do your research, determine for yourself who and/or what constitutes legit, unbiased feedback, and select the products that meet your needs and standards.
 
biggiepee said:
who ever doesnt shop around and ask questions is a fool. its called being a smart consumer. Why cant people just answer a question and keep it moving, who cares. All this coating stuff is just hype and marketing, and since most people just want to be on a bandwagon all it takes is one well know detailer ( whos is being paid by the company) to say this is such a great product and everyone wants to try it. Its funny ever since 3D bought Autopia all the well know detailers praise their products. 3D has been around for years, I never seen one post from these same detailers praising their products.
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Clearly you have not used them.

Opti-Guard Hydrophobic properties.wmv - YouTube
 
biggiepee said:
who ever doesnt shop around and ask questions is a fool. its called being a smart consumer. Why cant people just answer a question and keep it moving, who cares. All this coating stuff is just hype and marketing, and since most people just want to be on a bandwagon all it takes is one well know detailer ( whos is being paid by the company) to say this is such a great product and everyone wants to try it. Its funny ever since 3D bought Autopia all the well know detailers praise their products. 3D has been around for years, I never seen one post from these same detailers praising their products.
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Owned in 3...2...1



3D doesn't make any coatings, thanks for playing. The product in question is made by Optimum Polymer Technologies.
 
mikenap said:
And as for being a smart consumer, yeah I don't see it. If you call one detailer and his price is too high for you, call another. Quality doesn't come cheap, though, as should be evident to someone driving a 6-series on HREs.
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Don't forget the part about living in the slum section of Trump Palace on barely enough salary to pay the rent, too.



'Cuz, you know, living beyond one's means and pretending to be a baller is what smart consumerism is all about. ;)



Dan said:
Owned in 3...2...1



3D doesn't make any coatings, thanks for playing. The product in question is made by Optimum Polymer Technologies.
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This thread is just full of all kinds of win :clap2:
 
I never said 3D made coatings. I am aware that Opti coat is made by Optimum. My point is to show how everyone is so gullible to fall for all the marketing hype of every new product, as long as it is endorsed by a well know detailer. Every week someone is discovering the next great product. Second i would never walk into a mercedes dealership because the cars are garbage, I would walk into the lexus dealership first. I never seen so many people cry about a man asking about a price. This is a detailing forum, none of the responses are going to hurt my feelings, I find it humorous how sensitive alot of you are.
 
biggiepee said:
Second i would never walk into a mercedes dealership because the cars are garbage, I would walk into the lexus dealership first.
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Maybe more reliable than a Mercedes, but the fit and finish and build quality of a Lexus doesn't even compare.
 
biggiepee said:
I never said 3D made coatings. I am aware that Opti coat is made by Optimum. My point is to show how everyone is so gullible to fall for all the marketing hype of every new product, as long as it is endorsed by a well know detailer.
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Have you used the OptiCoat product? I'm guessing no, since it's one item that lives up to and surpasses the hype. And we're going on a couple of years now in the marketplace, with hundreds of pros and enthusiasts using the product and thousands of cars coated. Try the product before bashing it.
 
Hey, how does it feel to be so perfect and wise? Can you please tell me what I should spend my money on? I don't mean detailing supplies, just in general. I appreciate your help. Thanks



PS: Can you also tell us how your experience was with OPTI COAT? Did you also wash your car with dawn weekly like David? How soon did Opti Coat fail for you? I knew I shouldn't have trusted DF's udates!!!!!!!!! So as far as LSP, what is the real deal we should all use? Thanks again!!!!





Second i would never walk into a mercedes dealership because the cars are garbage, I would walk into the lexus dealership first.
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+1 When multiple people say the same thing consistently over a long period of time, that's a pattern in my book. :bigups
 
biggiepee said:
I never said 3D made coatings. I am aware that Opti coat is made by Optimum. My point is to show how everyone is so gullible to fall for all the marketing hype of every new product, as long as it is endorsed by a well know detailer. Every week someone is discovering the next great product. Second i would never walk into a mercedes dealership because themselves cars are garbage, I would walk into the lexus dealership first. I never seen so many people cry about a man asking about a price. This is a detailing forum, none of the responses are going to hurt my feelings, I find it humorous how sensitive alot of you are.
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Big Pete, he didn't just ask a question. He asked, got a resounding unified answer and continued to try to devalue the service. Why ask if you're just going to insist that everyone is wrong. Freaking take it or leave it. THAT is why everyone is so agitated. We deal with this kind crap crap too often. Freaking take it or leave it. But don't ask and continue to, more or less, complain.
 
tdekany said:
Hey, how does it feel to be so perfect and wise? Can you please tell me what I should spend my money on? I don't mean detailing supplies, just in general. I appreciate your help. Thanks



PS: Can you also tell us how your experience was with OPTI COAT? Did you also wash your car with dawn weekly like David? How soon did Opti Coat fail for you? I knew I shouldn't have trusted DF's udates!!!!!!!!! So as far as LSP, what is the real deal we should all use? Thanks again!!!!
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It feels great, thanks. Yes I can help you spend your money, tell me what you are interested in buying and I will give you my opinion on some good choices. I am not bashing Opticoat, nor any detailer on any forum, I have never used it, to me many products are not worth the price. I am not going to buy every new product someone says is great. I am fine with putting on a fresh coat of duragloss every few months.



How many 3D products have you recommended in the past few years?
 
Never used opticoat, and Im sure its a great product. But my point was any new product that comes out only needs two people saying its the next great thing and it becomes the next great thing no matter how the product performs. First it was menzerna then 105/205 then Uno, then the new meguairs d300. Or P21 wheel gel then Sonax then Ironx, Its funny how easy it is to make a product the next best thing.
 
Mostly uno but also these: Sorry if I missed some.



PS: Have you seen me get exited about any product prior to me trying UNO?



poxy

pink car soap

window cleaner

tire shine gel

nitro seal



I really am impressed with 3D. I guess it pays off to be a "small" company and be able to formulate products that are different from the big ones. No Hype. You should see how well UNO is performing on a SS baby blue 1974 vw bug I am working on. Uno with wool, MF pad and finishing foam. One product does it all. Getting rid of all RIDS in the process. No dust. The finish is glossy, and wet looking.



Do you think I should switch from UNO? To what? Thanks.
 
Isn't IMPROVING a product the idea? Unfortunately, the examples you gave are not proving your point. All the ones you have mentioned are a huge jump from what was available prior, or in the case of d300/MF pads - completely new and a true game changer.



biggiepee said:
Never used opticoat, and Im sure its a great product. But my point was any new product that comes out only needs two people saying its the next great thing and it becomes the next great thing no matter how the product performs. First it was menzerna then 105/205 then Uno, then the new meguairs d300. Or P21 wheel gel then Sonax then Ironx, Its funny how easy it is to make a product the next best thing.
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