Reasonable price for David Fermani to Opti Coat a NEW car?

Yes I was feeling that the price was high. So what?



I never claimed to know what I am talking about.



I was asking.



I am seriously not getting what the problem is.



If I was a d*ck about it? Then okay. You could fault me for being a d*ck.



I was polite. Professional. Thankful. Kind. Humble. Accepted correction. And at the end - I said it looks like $1700 was fair.



Exactly *WHATS THE PROBLEM* ?



The problem in my opinion? Dave is apparently also a modertor here, and his now abusing his powers. He's editing my posts (see below). He changed the title of this thread. He changed my avatar .



You really have no problem with that? But you're going to rattle on about me asking for opinions on a quote?



Sorry. We live in different universes.



What I see below "TRUMPS" (sorry for the pun) anything I came remotely close to doing wrong.



mabye you dont aree. Lets agree to disagree. Im blown away by this ...





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Man! Look what happens when I go away for a few hours.... this thread EXPLODED!



DetailBurger said:
Dave details the car of the owner of this site.
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Funny, how does he manage that? This site is owned by a company in California, where the owner is based.... yet Dave is in South Florida....



Sorry. I dont see what I did wrong.
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Go back and re-read the PMs and conversations you had with David about the vehicle's condition and what he told you about the work he was going to do for you. Then read the version you posted in this thread. Do you not see the discrepancies? THAT is what you did wrong.
 
How does he do that?
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I dont know. Look at the picture below, and you tell me how he did it.



Dave told me on the phone that hte owner of Autopia lives in Miami Beach. Or he has a condo here at least. And Dave also told me that he details his car.



So either dave is lying, and the picture below is imaginary, or your information is wrong.



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Go back and re-read the PMs and conversations you had with David about the vehicle's condition and what he told you about the work he was going to do for you. Then read the version you posted in this thread. Do you not see the discrepancies? THAT is what you did wrong.
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What? I am not following your logic. I wrote something to Dave in a PM about the condition of my car? And it was different than what I post in my posts? Like what? I forgot to mention in my post that the car was brand new. So I went back and added that to the first post. Dave already knew it was fully new. I mentioned both in PMS's and here on this thread that the car had buffer marks from the paint job. No discrepency at all. Everything I wrote here, I wrote in the pM's with dave.



Sorry.



Next?
 
I don't even know how to respond anymore. Apparently I'm best friend's with David and every other pro out there. You got me buddy. We live next door to each other - the section of America where Metro-Detroit touches South Florida. That's what it is. It's not that multiple people have come in to say "hey man, legit question, and all sounds about right" and you responded "ok thanks, I just wanted to make sure!", it's like what MikeNap said above.



I read your replies and this is how I feel:



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Sorry that you're so confused Mr. Harris. Im confused how you gloss over Dave childishly editing my threads, texting me with harassing texts, and changing my avatar,.... yet you have a hissy fit for 3 pages about the fact that I asked for opinions on a quote. I mean seriously? With all due respect - clearly we have different views on ethics, proper conduct, and appropriate behavior. Maybe ill go hack some web site about breast cancer and you'll find that "funny" or "normal". But god forbid someone should ask opinions on a quote here.



I will make sure everyone I talk to never comes to this forum though. When moderators are f*cking with people's posts, avatars, and trying to cause a ruckus just because they are "butt hurt" that they got questioned ... i have to bow out, and return to the land of adults.



As far as you living in Florida .... I said the owner of this site lives in Florida, because Dave said he details his car. Maybe thats how dave has moderator access. Maybe dave lied. I have no idea. If he's doing sh*t like editing people's posts dishonestly, I wouldn't put "fibbing" past him. If you are the owner of this site, then that is why I referenced "you" living in Florida. If you're not, then I have no idea where you live. And I Never named you as a friend of Dave's. I referenced his friends in general. Seriously how long is this nonsense babble going to continue?



Much to your relief, I am done here. I can't deal with insane behavior for very long. You were the one guy I thanked for the great input. Thanks now for being a d*ck.



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My 2 cents,



1. I am stupified as to what the OP 's goal was in this post.



2. I charge $40 per hour and I would be willing to pay D. Fermani, B. Theal, Bob W, Rasky, John K, Charlie, Thomas D, Mark and Jacob, and a host of others their exact going rate to detail my POV because it would be worth it to me if nothing else than to watch someone I admire detail my car, and allow me to ask them questions as to their process and how they would attack certain issues on my own car's finish. It would easily be worth the investment of my time and my money just for their knowledge, much less the fact my car would be immaculate. I am sure there are other detailers who would love to pick the brains of a lot of the great detailers here in person.



3. I never even offer opti-coat as an upsell to a customer who isnt already paying for a 2 step or more correction because to me you are ripping them off, and setting yourself up for a dissatisfied customer.



4. Its is nearly an empirical scientific fact that the customer who says "The car is in great condition and just needs a touch up" has no clue what to look for and their paint usually looks like it was washed by a scothbrite pad, inside of a sandpaper cavern, during an earthquake.



5. If you called me for an estimate on a freshly repainted car, the first thing that pops in my head is "Oh dear god Im gonna spend 1-2 hours searching for overspray because if I dont I wont see it until I am putting on the damn LSP"



6. You want wheel removal, polishing, and opti coating of the wheels.



7. Put all these things together, and it is a sight unseen quote, I would have told you $1200 minimum to start with and believe me, I am no Dave Fermani.



Peace out
 
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You clearly stated you asked a bunch of David's friends about this. I'm pointing out that we're not all David's buddy's, and that is not the issue. If you go back and read my first major response, you'll see how understanding I was. This is a lot of money and you need to make sure it's justified and you're not being scammed. That sounds legit. No worries there. Notice no one was giving you **** in the first 3 pages or so. Then the real stuff opened up.



This included you saying what I now quote in my signature. The rest is clearly laid out here: http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-de...fermani-opti-coat-new-car-12.html#post1462403



I'm also sorry to see a mod abusing his power to make a joke, and I surely hope you're not serious in thinking that it's the same as HACKING A BREAST CANCER SITE. From the ludicrous things you've posted, I wouldn't put it past you however, and I'm sure you likely think they're nearly the same. I'm very very sorry for you.
 
Lotuseffect said:
My 2 cents,



1. I am stupified as to what the OP 's goal was in this post.



2. I charge $40 per hour and I would be willing to pay D. Fermani, B. Theal, Bob W, Rasky, John K, Charlie, Thomas D, Mark and Jacob, and a host of others their exact going rate to detail my POV because it would be worth it to me if nothing else than to watch someone I admire detail my car, and allow me to ask them questions as to their process and how they would attack certain issues on my own car's finish. It would easily be worth the investment of my time and my money just for their knowledge, much less the fact my car would be immaculate. I am sure there are other detailers who would love to pick the brains of a lot of the great detailers here in person.



3. I never even offer opti-coat as an upsell to a customer who isnt already paying for a 2 step or more correction because to me you are ripping them off, and setting yourself up for a dissatisfied customer.



4. Its is nearly an empirical scientific fact that the customer who says "The car is in great condition and just needs a touch up" has no clue what to look for and their paint usually looks like it was washed by a scothbrite pad, inside of a sandpaper cavern, during an earthquake.



5. If you called me for an estimate on a freshly repainted car, the first thing that pops in my head is "Oh dear god Im gonna spend 1-2 hours searching for overspray because if I dont I wont see it until I am putting on the damn LSP"



6. You want wheel removal, polishing, and opti coating of the wheels.



7. Put all these things together, and it is a sight unseen quote, I would have told you $1200 minimum to start with and believe me, I am no Dave Fermani.



Peace out
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YES!!!!!!!!!



George nailed it! Man, if you could have posted within the first couple of pages, we could all have been saved some grief. But then we would have been without our daily entertainment, I guess.
 
I am now stepping out and playing spectator from this thread. I am glad I posted what I did being neutral but being involved in the vending community I have to step out at this time as I have said what I thought was relevant based on my perspective..









What I will say is that the .gif files people are using to express their posts are simply amazing and very well matched to their posts.



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Marc has a side career in comedy if he wants it.
 
DetailBurger said:
Yes I was feeling that the price was high. So what?



I never claimed to know what I am talking about.



I was asking.



I am seriously not getting what the problem is.



If I was a d*ck about it? Then okay. You could fault me for being a d*ck.



I was polite. Professional. Thankful. Kind. Humble. Accepted correction. And at the end - I said it looks like $1700 was fair.



Exactly *WHATS THE PROBLEM* ?



The problem in my opinion? Dave is apparently also a modertor here, and his now abusing his powers. He's editing my posts (see below). He changed the title of this thread. He changed my avatar .



You really have no problem with that? But you're going to rattle on about me asking for opinions on a quote?



Sorry. We live in different universes.



What I see below "TRUMPS" (sorry for the pun) anything I came remotely close to doing wrong.



mabye you dont aree. Lets agree to disagree. Im blown away by this ...





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These quotes are at odds with what you posted endstop, you did say you knew because "The Best Detailers in San Diego" who work for all the tuning companies in the area did your car and wait for it.......................charged $350.00.



Amongst all the whining you have graced us with the "Begging" of I ONLY rent in Trump Tower and my HRE's were subsidized by "Obama" (Last part is not what you said but a obvious spoof on your intent and demeanor in what you posted) has me saying if the shoe fits.................the cheap shoe that is................go away as I have dealt with guys like you many times over the 18 years I have had my service and "The client" is not always right.........you were fired as a client before you started and there are three guys in your region capable of this high level work and none of them would touch you with a tenfoot pole.
 
For the record, hacking a Health web site was an analogy. The point was that apparently none of you have a problem with Dave hacking user accounts on this forum. But you'll waste hours of your time rambling about how I was so wrong to ask for more quotes. Outstanding. Cheers guys.



As for responding to Dave? I am an adult. Adults talk offline, one on one. Where there is no audience to throw orange peels and hurl insults. Posting something publicly is something a child would do, and it proves that Dave has no intention of actually resolving the problem. I phoned him offline to talk like adults. Not surprisingly he did not pick up the phone. Instead he sent me a childish harassing text message.



I text him back like an adult, apologizing that things didnt pan out very well, and letting him know I had no intention of causing problems. He did not reply. Classic immature bullsh*t from someone uninterested in fixing the problem. Don't you agree?



Besides, any response I gave here would just get ripped apart by people who enjoy fights, and this thread would go from 11 pages to 25 overnight. Useless.



Dave is angry that I dared to question his quote, and was given moderator powers which he has clearly abused. To me this is indicative of much larger underlying personality and emotional problems. Quite honestly as a member of this forum I would be uncomfortable allowing Dave to remain a moderator. But Im not a member here, and am glad to say after this post, I am history.



Much thanks to the few rational individuals who spoke up during this process. As for the rest of you? Be a little nicer to the guy who asks a sensitive question with good motives. Please.



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Amen Bob, Marc and everybody else. Douchburger - you got called out and owned by Dave, and the best you can do is whine all butt hurt that Dave edited your posts...wah wah wah, pitiful little be'otch you are. You drive a beemer with pricey wheels and want the mac daddy detail, but then can't pay. Oh, I live in Trump Palace but I only rent, I only make 150K a year, jeez, maybe you can get some food stamps. You have zero friends here and no respect, so piss off.



BTW - I'm the evil mod and will ban your arse in a nano second if you sass me back. Go cry over on AG forum.
 
I think the biggest reason this thread blew up is:



A. Several KEY elements were left out from the original post.

B. Even after several reputable detailers told you the quote was on par with what everyone else would charge, you still argued that you thought 20hrs was too much time. You simply refused to listen, and that is when it went south IMO.
 
DetailBurger said:
Dave is angry that I dared to question his quote, and was given moderator powers which he has clearly abused. To me this is indicative of much larger underlying personality and emotional problems.
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Thank you for your diagnosis, Doctor!



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RaskyR1 said:
B. Even after several reputable detailers told you the quote was on par with what everyone else would charge, you still argued that you thought 20hrs was too much time. You simply refused to listen, and that is when it went south IMO.
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OP, it's a sensitive subject and whether meant as a slight or not, it was taken that way. We hear you apologizing for "asking if the quote was right/whatever" but that is not it. You're missing it. It's that you continued to push in one way or another. Again, it has nothing to do with asking. Do a search and you'll see we all help out when someone ask the question.
 
I am about 99% sure you agreed to allowing moderators and admins edit posts and threads when you registered and agreed to the end user agreement. That does not make it just or not. But it is not hacking.



Personally, if there is not foul language, adult content, trolling or slander going on, I can't see editing being necessary. But I can't really recall exactly what was originally posted and what was edited.
 
nth degree said:
i don't know dave personally, only from his online posts. Based upon the demeanor of his posts i don't think he will have taken this personally. I'm sure he knows his prices are above average and would likely take it as a compliment that you still consider using his service after this thread. I know i would.
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There are several take aways from this thread....



1- The OP should have started a thread outlining what he was looking for, included sun shots or other shots to accurately show the car's condition, then asked in general what a fair pice should be for what he wanted. Anytime you start a thread stating that you were quoted $XXXX and you think that's high isn't gonna go so well.



2- Dave should have just told the OP that his hourly rate is $XX, and he wouldn't be able to give him a quote until he saw the car. The reason I say this is I believe the OP has no idea what condition his car is really in. He probably has very little experience identifying paint defects (wetsanding marks, orange peel, pigtails, etc...). My guess is that if Dave had met with him, pointed out the issues and described what was involved in correcting them, he may have understood why 20 hours may be required. With that said, I fully believe Dave coulda gone over that beast with a solid 1 step (still leaving behid several defects), and the OP would have thought it was "1000% perfect"....because again, I don't think he has any idea how bad his car really is. I am amazed with how many people can't see swirls, even when you point them out to them. Some people have an eye for paint defects, and some don't I guess.



3- Quality detailers are still perceived by the general public as just being car cleaners. Sad....especially seeing as to how my detailing arsenal exceeds (in value) the cost of most of my clients' golf clubs....and most good detailers have spent more time honing their craft, than said clients spend taking golf lessons and on the driving range.



4- You can really rent a condo in Trump Tower on a $150k salary? Interesting



5- I think the OP will be in for a shock when he trades in, or sells his "brand new BMW" and sees what a bath he is gonna take because it has been repainted.
 
this thread is hilarious, i never seen so many people hop on someones balls, most of the pros on this site are just puppets to the manufactures to say how good their products are in order to get some discounts. this is a detailing site, i have a life but i do enjoy seeing people get upset over something stupid like little kids. i think im going to go wash my car and put on a fresh coat of turtle wax, then write a post about how good their wax is. maybe i will get some of you to follow. im sure if turtle wax decided to give some pros their products they will make a post about it being the next best.
 
Dave Fermani Wrote: Right, besides all these people not knowing the FACTS, your 2010 1 year old car isn’t “brand new”. Far from it I’d bet seeing that it already has been completely repainted, wet-sanded and buffed by some hack dealer body shop and then rehacked by another “Detailer” that couldn’t get it done in the 1st or 2nd time around. I’d say it’s far from “BRAND NEW”.
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Dear arrogant idiot.



You are a total Tool. Its a brand new 2010 BMW with 60 miles on it. It had never been driven. I searched Auto Trader for low mileage 2010's because the 2011 body style on the six series was horrible to me. I wanted the old style. So I purchased it from Reading BMW from Michele Grim. You can call her yourself and she will confirm. It was the last of the old body style remaining. It was sold as Metallic Black and I wanted Jet Black so I had them paint it. 60 miles on it, *****.



Take your psychotic harassing text messages and your insanely unprofessional immature behavior and shove it up your *ss. As well as your gross misinformation.



You just got OWNED. D*ck..
 
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