Rate your current LSP arsenal

Accumulator: On this thread, FK 1000P had the highest average rating at 9.2 out of five users. Followed by WG 3.0 at 9.1 with four users. Optiseal had the most users at 13 and rated a high 8.8. How do you par with these results? How did you like the FK 1000 in a little more detail?



The highest rated carnaubas here were PS with 8.5 with five users and ClearKote nuba with 8.7 with five users. 50/50 scored 92.5 with only two users but Im a little confused as to whether or not its a pure carnauba. Here is what Chem guys said about it on a previous post by Changeling "1. Is this a pure carnuba blend? Yes however our unique and exclusive emulsion process allows us to lace the white carnauba with a 98% proof Amino Functional Resign and a LTI Base fluorocarbon polymer resin to extend durability above that of any current paste wax." HUH???
 
Cheeto, there is no such thing as "pure carnauba". Every carnauba wax contains man-made ingredients to help the spreadability, removability, etc. Yet the closest things to a pure wax are the Victoria Waxes (Collectors and Concours). These contain only cosmetic grade ingredients and no silicones, polymers whatsoever. The new Chaos and Mayhem uses polymers for a wetter shines and better durability.



Usually the aminofunctional resins and polymers are the sealant part of a wax, and they can serve as durability extenders.



I havent used the Wolfgang, but I'm avid user of 1000P and Opti Seal. The 1000P is an excellent product, no question. Looks like another layer of clearcoat, durable. However, on certain warm, dark colors, its initial look can lack warmth. On these specific colors it just looks OK, but nothing spectacular. After 2-5 days of curing (it gains clarity, definition that long) however, it looks far better. Its beading is fabulous, and cleanability is another very strong part.



Opti Seal looks good on everything. It has a characteristic, sharp, glassy, hi-definition look. And its ease of use is unbeatable. Its durability is around 2-4 months, and as all Optimum LSPs, it is not tuned for spectacular beading.
 
cheeto chop said:
Accumulator: On this thread, FK 1000P had the highest average rating at 9.2 out of five users. Followed by WG 3.0 at 9.1 with four users. Optiseal had the most users at 13 and rated a high 8.8. How do you par with these results?



Can't really help with that as I've never used WG or Optiseal :nixweiss



Beware of "data" (scare-quotes intentional ;) ) about what LSPs are popular/good.






How did you like the FK 1000 in a little more detail?



Basically, I'd just echo what Bence said. Note that FK1000P doesn't leave as "thick" a coating on the paint as heavily/similarly layered KSG, and I suspect that it's not as resistant to wash-induced (micro)marring. (Note that whether *any* LSP offers said resistance to any appreciable degree is a matter for debate ;) ) FK1000P *DOES* shed dirt/clean up extremely well, and I mean just super.

The highest rated carnaubas here were ..but Im a little confused [about all the fancy talk].. HUH???



Don't worry about any of that. If you want looks, Souveran is a great choice and a nice intro to "boutique" waxes. If you want durability, try Collinite 476S/885 or 915 or even their 845 (one of those "gotta try it" LSPs IMO). IF you can find a can of Meg's #16, you might want to give that old standby a try, some of us simply love the stuff.



But all the "what's in it", and to what percentage, is almost all just ad-copy hyperbole and/or techno-jargon BS designed to part you from your money ;)
 
Bence/Accumulator: seriously, you guys are a library of data!



Bence: has the car on your profile pic been wet sanded? its hard to tell from how small the picture is, but it looks insanely clear.
 
Nope, although it is still very glassy, it wasn't wet sanded (at least not entirely), and its clear is very thin and fragile. Despite of a relatively healthy 120-130 microns of total paint matrix, I have several strikethroughs at the edges. In fact the clear was so thin at places (C-pillar, trunklid), that with the 3rd stroke (!) with a 3000 grit pad, the color bleeded out. Funny when you are staring at a lighter spot, yet the PTG shows only 1-2 microns less...



On the edge of the hood a finishing pad removed the color while I was applying wax...
 
Bence: Im going to guess from the pic that the car is a Toyota. I have read that Japanese cars have soft paint. Do you think the soft paint is the reason the clear is "soft and fragile?" I have a 2001 mineral grey Mustang with factory paint. How would you feel about wet sanding this car? I want to eliminate the orange peel and have a nice mirror finish.
 
cheeto chop said:
.. I have a 2001 mineral grey Mustang with factory paint. How would you feel about wet sanding this car? I want to eliminate the orange peel and have a nice mirror finish.



*I* wouldn't do it for fear of thinning the clear so much that you'll have issues later, if only because something'll happen and you'll need to compound/polish only to find out there isn't enough clearcoat left.



Yeah, I know..others here wetsand with no such reservations. But I'm thinking long-term and I subscribe to the idea that you shouldn't remove more than two-thirds of a mil of clear. I've seen Fords that were thinned a *LOT* more than that, and they looked OK, but I wouldn't bet on how long it'll be before the clear fails.



This is leaving aside the question of whether you'll be able to bring the finish back from the wetsanding. If you haven't done this sort of thing before, I sure wouldn't learn on your Mustang ;)
 
Cheeto, I agree with Accumulator. If you want to keep the vehicle, don't attempt to correct it. If you have a very sophisticated gauge which can measure the paint matrix layer by layer, you'll know the exact amount of clear. In this case you have the necessary safety, but with today's paint technology where the atomizing bells use significantly less paint, don't expect clear thicknesses which resemble to rich oriental carpeting.



Yes, the car is a 1992 Camry - and I had to reclear the trunklid because of clear failure. Interestingly, on the very spot where the checking was starting, the thickness was 134 microns, so numerically the paint was healthy, yet with a 2000 grit paper the color appeared after the 6th sanding motion. The clear is on the softish side, but definitely not BMW Jet Black or Honda Nighthawk Black soft, so it is easily correctable, but of course, marrs easily too.
 
akimel;1231005...... said:
Megs' Gold Class (I don't remember a lot about it, but my car looked good)

(You will notice I haven't used the word "wet." I haven't figure out what exactly that means.)......



Meguiars Gold Class.

Many enthusiasts seem to have forgotten about this product.

I find it great on black as I hv a black S2000 too.

It has that clear, super glossy look...and it looks even better when you spray Megs ultimate quik wax on top. Even blacker and shinier!



Megs GC + megs UQW is a fantastic combo for well-prepped black.

But of course, GC is not known for durability.
 
Nice thread. I'll also bump it.



I also second the recognition for Bence, who not only has knowledge, but also class... One of our several standout autopians.



Some of the products ratings are consistent, some others are all over the place, which should not be surprising as there are attributes that some detailers appreciate more than others.



My list, but keep in mind that I am not including booster waxes.



Products that are finally gone or given away, including samples received



Poor boys EX+: 7 / 10

+ Very nice look, deep glow, very easy application and removal, nice smell

- Its durability (or lack of) stinks, it will tank after one wash



Meguiars NXT liquid (v 1 and 2): 6.5 / 10

+ Also nice look, darkening of paint, very easy application and removal, nice smell

- Stains trim, it is expensive for OTC, its durability (or lack of) also stinks, it will tank after one wash



Optimum Car wax spray (original): 7 / 10

+ Easy to apply, more durable than some LSPs that tank after one wash

- Unremarkable sterile look.



Tropi-care TC-3: 7 / 10

+ Lovely smell, very glossy and darkening, easy to apply,

- Stains the towels and its durability (or lack of) also stinks, it will tank after one washone wash



Meguiars #26: 6 / 10

+ Lovely deep carnauba look,

- If I hadn't bought it for $.99 at advance as clearance, I would be that generous. It also stains towels, tanks after 2 washes and is a major pain to remove.



Poor boys EX-P+: 6 / 10

+ Very nice look, brings out the metallic flake, very easy application and removal, nice coconut smell....

- Durability (or lack of) stinks, it will tank after one wash. For a dedicated "pure" sealant, the durability is a big one.



Klasse SG: 7/10

+ Reflective and durable. It won't tank after the first wash :P....

- Finicky removal and application. Sterile looks



Eagle one nanowax: 6.5 / 10

+ Also nice look, darkening of paint, decent swirl filling, easy application and removal....

- Stains trim, overpowering smell, its durability (or lack of) also stinks, it will tank after one wash



Zaino Z-2 pro: 8 / 10

+ Very reflective, easy removal, and very durable. It won't tank after the first wash :P....

- Even it's new formula looks sterile, and finicky application requirements.



Turtle wax platinum ultra gloss liquid: 7.5/10

+ Lovely deep glow, extremely easy to apply and remove, very cheap...

- Stains trim, sterile smell, another member of the "cat club", those products who are afraid of water and will tank after one wash



Glare paint polish: 7.5/10

+ Very very shiny and reflective. Very durable. The product that suffered the least after the first wash.

- Not so easy to apply. Sterile look, it is the ultimate expression of "sugar coated candy" as it mutes metallic flake (Wife hated it in her navy blue minivan) While durable (4-5 months) it is well short of the manufacturers "5 years" claim, and when it starts diminishing it will go down fast.







Products that I still have and use



Collinite Super double coat 476S: 8.5/10

+ Decently easy to to apply and remove, can be worked in freezing temps, cheap, tight water beading, killer look for a "hard durable non beauty" that really brings pop to the paint, and very very durable.

- Sterile smell.



Mother Synwax FX: 7/10

+ Very easy to apply and remove, very shiny and reflective. Decent durability (8 weeks) and it won't tank after the first wash.

- Awful bottle design, overpowering smell, sterile look.



Collinite Insulator wax IW845: 9/10

+ Extremely easy to apply, easy to remove, can be worked in below-freezing temps, cheap, tight water beading, very reflective, very easy to wash, and very very durable. Probably the most durable of the god looking waxes.

- Sterile smell, less durable than the 476S



Finish Kare FK1000P: 7.5/10

+ Repels dirt, virtually impossible to over-apply, easy to remove, tight water beading, very reflective, and very durable.

- Being virtually impossible to over-apply becomes virtually impossible to apply if temps are low, which are curiously the scenarios where you want this wax. Sterile smell and sterile look.

Sorry guys, I just helped 1000P go down in the average ratings.



Mothers California Gold pure carbauba (liquid): 7.5/10

+ The lovely trademark carnauba deep glow, quite shiny, nice cinnamon smell. Decent durability (8-12 weeks)

- Not so easy to apply and remove.



Mothers California Gold carbauba cleaner (liquid): 8/10

+ Decently potent cleaners make it a true AIO, lovely trademark carnauba deep glow, cheap and available everywhere, quite shiny even in light colors, decent smell and good durability (8-12 weeks) An old formulation, but still one of the best AIOs.

- Not so easy to apply and remove, stains trim.



Mothers Reflections Top coat wax (liquid): 8.5/10

+ Very easy to apply and remove, lovely deep glow, glossy and shiny, lovely smell, no cleaners for layerability, decent durability (8-12 weeks) A great blend LSP

- Expensive as OTC and not so easily available, forcing users to go online, and if going online, there are products regarded as better looking for similar price.







my personal favorite



Mothers Reflections advanced car wax (liquid): 9.2/10

+ Very easy to apply and remove, lovely deep glow, glossy and shiny, classy look that also brings metallic flake to life. Lovely smell, better availability OTC than its sibling top coat, light cleaners means you don't have to spend more time doing IPA / APC wipe downs to ensure proper bonding. Decent durability (8-12 weeks) that won't tank after the first wash. A great blend LSP, and being so easy to apply / remove, takes less than 15 minutes for another recoat without worries about proper bonding.

- Expensive as OTC and not as easily available. There are arguably better looking products. It will not appeal to the "sugar coated" look crowd, and in my opinion, the cleaners are too light. In a system that is designed as 2 components, there is no reason for the base to have light cleaners.





Criteria:

1) Looks

2) Application

3) Durability (special detriments to the one wash and done crowd)
 
Quite surprised to see that my personal favorite is not so highly regarded among those who have used it. Here are some pics of my old car when taking pictures for the sale ads. It obviously features reflections as LSP. The car was neglected for being an autopian ride, but we all know that a neglected autopian car looks better than Joe six-pack's detailed car.



Intention of the detail was to have decent looking material for good pictures. No machine polishing was performed. The car was prepared in a total of 3-4 hours:



- Washed (Zymol blue car wash... yes, I still have one gallon of when big lots had them at $2.99)

- Paint chips fixed with touch-up paint.

- Vacummed and interior dressed (Sonus cockpit detailer, glass cleaned)

- Hand polished using a 4" LC white pad and an OTC finishing polish that shall remain unnamed from a company generally not well regarded here in autopia ;)

- Reflections car wax

- Reflections tire care













Yes, that was the mileage of the car.
 
I have been running through the Nanoskin Hydrophobic and SHIELD like it's going out of style. Has been giving me a year of aggressive water beading here in Seattle, and the customers love it.
 
Really narrowed down my LSPs over the last couple of years. Don't regularly use Fuzion, Souveran, #16, Glanz Wax or some of the others I have used in the past. Nothing wrong with them, but 4 is enough to carry with me.



Optimum Opti-Seal-can't beat the ease of application-huge time saver on large vehicles without compromising protection or appearance, wet look, excellent depth for a sealant, very good durability



Optimum Car Wax (current version)-nearly as easy to use as OS, very liquid carnauba look (absolutely insane wetness on silver), good durability. 9 times out of 10, it is what I use on my own car, IMO, the best looking all around wax I've ever tried



Clearkote's Carnauba Moose Wax-my #1 choice on solid black or red (although it looks great on all colors). Nice darkening effect, superb depth, very good durability, I don't consider the scent (similar to bug spray) a drawback because I don't really smell it when applying but some might



Detailer's Pride Poli-Coat-my choice for cars that see regular tunnel or dealership washing, holds up very well to harsh detergents. Just as glossy as OS but not quite as deep. Best dust/anti-static resistance I've seen, only sealant I have used where on cold, dry days you don't get a static charge from applying it to plastic bumpers, very good durability
 
I'll hop on the Opti-Seal bandwagon with Scott. So easy to use, and good looks to boot. I use it on my Focus, and the kids cars all the time, during warm weather months.



I'll still vote for 845. It stands up pretty well to winter here, which includes lots of road salt. When winter is on the horizon, I go there, though others have noted the durability of different Collininte products.



I became a Blackfire Wet Diamond junkie last year on my Black Sapphire 128, now in storage until 3/1. I really liked the look, though I do understand that it is a "boutique product." When I went to fire it up yesterday (thank God for a neighborhood mechanic who stores my car, and won't accept payment), we were both amazed with how little the dust was clinging to it.



Carnauba Moose--Hmmm. I've read so many of Scott's posts of vehicles with this LSP that he has piqued my interest.



Just my couple of cents.



Moe
 
AlexRuiz said:
Glare paint polish: 7.5/10

+ Very very shiny and reflective. Very durable. The product that suffered the least after the first wash.

- Not so easy to apply. Sterile look, it is the ultimate expression of "sugar coated candy" as it mutes metallic flake (Wife hated it in her navy blue minivan) While durable (4-5 months) it is well short of the manufacturers "5 years" claim, and when it starts diminishing it will go down fast.



Good point on GLARE.

This is my standard weapon for special-event showcars were protection is not needed. The wetness, reflectiveness makes Zaino (which I love) pale in comparison. Glare gives a genuine "glassy" wet look on well-prepped clearcoat.



This Celica has been trialled with many LSPs in the past....but the owner was most impressed when GLARE was used (below).

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RaskyR1 said:
I really don't like rating waxes since I feel my opinions change from car to car, but I give it a shot.



NXT 2.0 - 8.5/10 (great OTC that easy to use, great depth and gloss)

M26 - 8.5/10 (another great OTC that's very easy to use and looks great)

WG DGPS 3.0 - 9/10 (one of my favorite sealants, easy to use, looks great, super slick feel)

Fuzion - 8/10 (looks great, easy to use, lacks that super slick feeling of DGPS)

Zaino Z2/Z5 - 7/10 (Looks good, great durability, poor ease of use)

Dodo SN 7/10 (Looks awesome IMO, but have been having issues with sweating, expensive...still undecided on this wax)

P21S - 8/10 (great easy to use nuba, wish price was a little lower)

M16 - 8.5/10 (haven't used this a lot yet, but one of the best looking nuba's I have, would be a 9 if it were easier to remove)

M21 - 8/10

Black Magic - 4/10 (Tried this wax because of Consumer Reports...total PITA to remove!!! Would have scored much higher if that had not been the case)

KAIO/KSG waiting to be tested





I'd also like to add that durability means very little to me for my own personal cars....though I do like to have sealants for my customer cars.





Rasky



I also agree with you on Black Magic. Looks nice and OK durability but a PITA to remove.
 
dogma said:
Z5,Z2,Z8 &ZCS 10/10

DeepSwax 10/10

CG WMF ,50/50, BW & Petes 9.5/10

OS 10/10

OWC 8/10

WBW 9/10

Banana glos 9/10

DWG 9/10



My How things have changed

1. Prima Hydro ,Epic or BG

2. CMW

3. Victoria Chaos

4. OS/OCW or Z5 /Z8

5 1000p or pink wax
 
Not much has changed for me, except that having sold the MPV I'm not currently using KSG on anything. I plan to switch the Crown Vic over to it after (if?) I ever get all the body/paint work done, but for now I just have ZAIO on that one.



Still using:



-UPP on the S8

-#16 on the A8

-845 on the V8

-FK1000P on the Yukon (and on the beater-Tahoe)



The Jag and the RX-7 are still in mothballs :o I'll stick with SRP/Souveran on the former, and I plan to sell the Mazda so I'll probably Collinite it.
 
The two I use the most would be Black Fire Wet Diamond. I don't believe a product can go on and come off much easier. The slickness and reflectivity are just mind blowing to me.



If I go the carnauba route I'm still all about P21s. It's not too expensive where I feel like I've tricked myself into spending $100+ believing the hype that some crazy expensive wax is actually going to look any better on a PROPERLY prepped car. You can't go wrong with either of the above.
 
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