Rant - Why doesn't PAC sell SurBufs or Flat Thin Pads????

Hold your pants everyone, Capt Jack is working hard in getting new products for you all.......................smile...Taking picture
 
BigAl3 said:
david, what would you think of the idea of constant pressure low profile pads (w/ recessed velcro edging)?
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Very good question Al. I think it would be great for a rotary application, but counterproductive for a DA one. You wouldn't want a stiff pad softened up with the CP material. That is unless the substrate (CP) is stiffer than the outer layer. :wink:The current design looses energy transfer because of it's softness. That's why it works perfect for a rotary because it takes the edge off and you feel like you're buffing with clouds. Make sence?
 
BigAl3 said:
david, what would you think of the idea of constant pressure low profile pads (w/ recessed velcro edging)?
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Just to pile on, the one thing I don't like about the CP pads is you have to be very careful using them when close to adjacent panels. I used one on my bumper, got too close to my trunk lid and had the hard glue that attaches the blue foam scratch my trunk. It sticks out just a little bit from the outside diameter of the pad itself, so you can't prime the outer edge and snug up close. :huh:
 
David Fermani said:
~X(~X(~X( Why?? I'm being forced to buy these pads from a competitor because you guys aren't deciding to sell these. I'm dissappointed that the place that's viewed as being the KBM headquarters won't stock the appropriate items to do the best job. Your pads are way too thick and the Constant Pressure backing takes the effectiveness away from the pad's cutting power via DA. Can you guys please strongly consider stepping up your offerings? Doing cutting edge correction with a DA requires cutting edge pads. The current pads you sell is the old technology.
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Gee Dave... Need a hug! The "Current" pads we sell do exactly what they were intended to. They are excellent for the vast majority of people shopping at our site. For those that are currently using "Hi-Pressure" type polishing we brought back in the "Flat" style pads and we also brought in the Meguiars Soft Buff 2.0 pads. People have been getting great results with both.
We have just finished working with prototypes of a thinner (7/8") Hydro pad that has met with great results with this style of polishing. Our first shipment of these new pads has just come in and should be on the site today. We are also playing with another prototype pad, designed for this style of polishing. I have just received my third version. ?Film at eleven.?
Thanks for the input Dave, it is always refreshing.

jk
 
Never used Surbuf pads and have not had a problem removing one single solitary removable defect. If there's a new type of paint out I'm not aware of that demands the use of Surbuf pads, I haven't ran into it yet.
 
Brian_Brice said:
Never used Surbuf pads and have not had a problem removing one single solitary removable defect. If there's a new type of paint out I'm not aware of that demands the use of Surbuf pads, I haven't ran into it yet.
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For those of us :scared: of rotaries, the Surbufs are a huge timesaver when correcting with PCs!
 
That sounds great Jack, - the thinner Hydro pads, I used a little 4" one too much on a detail and I think it got too saturated with polish. Result? It got soft and hot and finally tore itself apart. Not pretty, but lesson learned!
 
David Fermani said:
Very good question Al. I think it would be great for a rotary application, but counterproductive for a DA one. You wouldn't want a stiff pad softened up with the CP material. That is unless the substrate (CP) is stiffer than the outer layer. :wink:The current design looses energy transfer because of it's softness. That's why it works perfect for a rotary because it takes the edge off and you feel like you're buffing with clouds. Make sence?
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dave, i see where you are coming from and having a one piece design also makes it less prone to becoming de-laminated or un-glued in between layers... :)
 
Jack said:
Gee Dave... Need a hug! The "Current" pads we sell do exactly what they were intended to. They are excellent for the vast majority of people shopping at our site. For those that are currently using "Hi-Pressure" type polishing we brought back in the "Flat" style pads and we also brought in the Meguiars Soft Buff 2.0 pads. People have been getting great results with both.
We have just finished working with prototypes of a thinner (7/8") Hydro pad that has met with great results with this style of polishing. Our first shipment of these new pads has just come in and should be on the site today. We are also playing with another prototype pad, designed for this style of polishing. I have just received my third version. ?Film at eleven.?
Thanks for the input Dave, it is always refreshing.

jk
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Thanks Jack for acknowledging my thread. I?ve always loved your pads up until I started getting heavy with the PC/KBM. Prior to that they were the Bee?s Knee?s with a rotary. The thing I disliked was that after 1-2 uses they start disintegrating.
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I worked with Eric @ LC on some prototype thin flat pads and can honestly say that they are a night a day difference in respect to cutting power and durability. Unfortunately the Meg?s pad (which is thin & flat) is 7 inch; which is way too large for dedicated foam cutting duty IMHO.

I just noticed your new thin flat 5.5 inch pads and will put an order in ASAP. Can?t wait to give them a go. I?m aware that new technology is on the horizon, but hopefully you?ll reconsider trying out SurBufs.


Brian_Brice said:
Never used Surbuf pads and have not had a problem removing one single solitary removable defect. If there's a new type of paint out I'm not aware of that demands the use of Surbuf pads, I haven't ran into it yet.
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I?ve never used SurBuf?s either and I don?t have a problem removing defects currently as well. The key to doing well in this business is being able to modify your products/processes to reduce your vehicle touch time and being able to recognize potential forward motion. You know as well as I that the days of 20-30 hour corrections is a thing of the past for most simple applications. From what other DA correction masters (KB / Bryan / Todd / Barry / etc...) have already stated about them is enough evidence that anyone that takes correction seriously should give these pads special consideration.
 
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