Prices and packages?

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baseballlover1

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gold Package: $300-375



Paint:

Wash

Clay

P21S Auto Wash (lower car)

SIP

ZPC

z5 (zfxed)

z6

z2/3

z8



Wheels:

P21S gel

Zaino AIO



Interior:

Shampoo carpets

Extract Carpets

Clean and Treat leather (leatherique)





Silver Package: $110-145 (depending on car)

Wash

(Clay?)

an aio... maybe KAIO or ZAIO

z5/KSG (or maybe another sealant)... maybe even a wax (idk which one tho)



wheels:

P21S gel



Interior:

303 wipedown





Wash:

30 dollars







Im wondering if you think these packages are good? How about the wax or sealant on the silver package? What about the prices?



The reason why i have the 2 is because i want to try to get a higher end clientele then toyota camrys and mini vans (and dont forget the ever so dirty contractors truck).
 
Nope! have not figured that in yet... i know bad of me huh. Tonight ile get a little more info on them and try to figure out more expenses.
 
in your gold package i think you are wasting your time putting 2 coats of z5 on, as one coat should do just fine if you are following it up with z2. or, depending on the color, do the 2 coats of z5 pro and leave out the z2. although zaino doesnt take that long to apply, its more material you are using, which cuts into your profit. also, for your AIO, i have not tried it yet but the xmt 360 looks like a really nice product. i havent seen many discussions about it on here so perhaps others can chime in... it supposedly has a little more cut than most aio's without sacrificing protection...



XMT 360 corrects, cleans, and seals auto paint! XMT 360 is more than a cleaner wax, its a swirl remover, polish, and paint sealant in one.
 
But 2 layers of z5 would give it longer protection.



As for a nice AIO... i might use that. I know that scottwax uses poli-seal, ile probably use do a test with poli-seal, ZAIO, XMT 360, KAIO, maybe a few others and decide which is better for me and my clientele.
 
Adding a second coat of Z5 and a final coat of Z2 would be lucky to add 5% extra gloss to the paint.



That time would be better spent on other area's in my opinion. You could easily gain that 5% in other areas that are quicker and cheaper. Moving the paint correction up a few notches or using a beauty wax would make a bigger difference.



For the cheaper silver details i'd look at Meguiars #66 quick detailer with a spray wax such as duragloss aquawax. As this may even save a bit of time and money in products, you may be able to go over the bonnet and quarter panels with SIP quickly.



Im such a big fan of Meguiars #66 that i often use it on my high end packages also. #66 will pretty much eliminate the ZPC stage as it has light cutting power and has the gloss and depth of Z5. On cars that dont require much paint correction i'll often use poliseal for its added protection as i'll usually have a bit of extra time/money on the good cars.



On bad paint jobs i've gone straight from Menzerna powergloss on a wool pad on the rotary to Meguiars #66 on a random orbital. So full paint correction and protection added in only two steps. I then go over the car with aquawax as a final wipedown and a gloss enhancer. Then when the customers come back for their yearly detail i go over the car with just #66 and it removes any slight swirls from the last 12 months.



But definitely get some Meguiars #66 you wont be dissapointed if you do lots of bulk work. Having tried XMT360, it seems the same as Meguiars #66, except it costs 10 times as much as it only comes in smaller bottles.



Is there any reason you want such long protection? Dont the customers return again?
 
TTWAGN said:
Is there any reason you want such long protection? Dont the customers return again?
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And yes i do want them to return but i feel im not doing the right thing if i dont give them the best possible detail that i can give them. lol... i just want to make sure that they are EXTREMELY happy with there cars so they will pass the word around... if im not giving the best that i can then why am i even doing it. If im going to try to do something im going to try to the best of my ability. But you are right... just z5 and z2/3 will do good enough!
 
ttwagn put it right. the 30 min to 1 hr it will take you to apply the 2nd z5 coat will definitely be better spent on some of the finishing details, even if its just taking some extra care on the door jambs with some AIO or something.
 
By the way, you can always get ideas from other pro's websites here. I've critiqued my own packages millions of times. The more details I do, the better feel I get for what the customers want.
 
Scottwax said:
Focus on the polishing, not the layering. That is where you will get your best results.
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I was thinking of layering for the protection... not necessarily for looks. I might (at request, and for a tacked on few dollars) put some souvrain (sp) over it.
 
1 coat of either Z5 or Z2 offers more than adequate durability. I am just saying people willing to pop for a high end detail will get the most benefit from as much correction as possible. What you want to do after the detail is to convince them to allow you to take care of the car on a regular basis. That way it gets washed properly, and you can keep it sealed on a regular basis. It also means regular income.
 
So what is the difference between them(z2/3, z5)? When i read the descriptions on the website, there didnt seem to be many.



But you are completely right!... i think i may actually do that! and then charge extra for another coat?
 
racing2448 said:
ttwagn put it right. the 30 min to 1 hr it will take you to apply the 2nd z5 coat will definitely be better spent on some of the finishing details, even if its just taking some extra care on the door jambs with some AIO or something.
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It only takes 15-20 minutes tops to apply and wipe of a coat of Z5, not 30-60 minutes?
 
Daniel, I agree, you should do what's best for the clients car and at the same time try to get them to use you on a regular basis. But treat each situation as if you may never do it again.



About the 2 coats of Z5, I wouldn't worry about it as you're already throwing on a coat of ZAIO which has a lot of protection in it, with the Z5 ontop of the ZAIO you'll be giving them two layers of Zaino already.



I think your Gold package is a great deal and a great package, well put together but I would let your clients know that it is a paint correction package as well so they don't think it's just a more expensive package then the silver. Don't just list the steps, tell them what the results will be, I would think that will be what sells it.



On your silver package, I would add vacuuming to the interior. If you are going to clay it I would start the package price at $145 not $110.



Good job.

Josh
 
I think you are way too specific in your packages. I would be more general and mention washing, claying, swirl/scratch removal, protection x2, or something like that instead of mentioning actual products. A lot of people (even car guys) don't have a clue what ZPC or SIP or any of those other products are.



Additionally, you don't want to pigeon hole yourself into using specific products. Sometimes, you may get better results using a nuba versus a sealant. And, if the car is a garage queen, durability isn't a factor, so you can use the nuba. I find that you can't automatically use products A,B&C for every detail. Sometimes I find that Meguiar's products are best for a particualr detail. Sometimes Menzerna with Poorboys works best. Sometimes Collinite is the best LSP, othertimes Zaino is the way to go.



Detailing is an art, which means you have to be creative, and you can only be just so creative using the same handfull of products over and over. It's one thing if someone specifies a product, but if they don't you need to evaluate the car, and use what will work best, and meet the needs of the client.
 
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