polish defined?

Maybe someone needs to clue those guys in to the wax over Klasse trick. Given the longevity of Klasse, and pick of waxes for a topper, this combo should certainly be rated in a totally different category...best of the best!



I used Zaino last week on my sons car and this was very simple to apply and remove. I guess the two step process and instructions to use a quality towel that will not scratch, threw them off... duh. It is also the slickest product that I have used, I don't know how they could have missed that.



As for the bashing of LG for petroleum distillates, I think all of the sealants ie Klasse, Zaino, LG have them. The idea is to put them on your car and not to drink them! :eek:



The one thing that I agreed with from their test is that Souveran clumps. I didn't really find that it affected the (very superior) result, but it was a little weird when applying it. Also, the clumping didn't start until the 2nd or 3rd use, so maybe the heat in my garage and dropping it on the floor had something to do with that. I store in in the freezer now and occasionally make Pina Colada's with it...since it is all natural and has no petroleum distillates!



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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Ripsnort [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Hehe, funny how defensive folks become of "their" products. :D [/b]</blockquote>
Ripsnort, there's no need to laugh at us and ridicule our "defensive" reactions. We just feel the need to take issue with some of the ridiculous stuff they say. I mean, come on. Zaino is difficult to apply and has poor reflectivity? And a C- for Klasse in reflectivity? Give me a break.

Anyway, no biggie.
 
I just took a look at the site, and I actually like the concept!! Granted these guys seem to not be as knowledgeable as they claim, ex.

"The Blitz One Grand wax was a decent wax, and we'd compare it to the cheaper (and more readily available) Meguiar's Gold Class wax. The Blitz was an alright wax, but the excessive chalky-white haze that resulted was disappointing. Ever try to get that stuff off of your bumper trim?"

If they were really enthusiasts then they wouldn't get it all over the bumper!! :mad: They also rated Blitz a B-!!! It also compares to "Gold Class"!!! Are they nuts?? Any Autopian would surely agree that Blitz carries the most bang for the buck of any wax!! No?? Granted, it's probably not in the Pinnacle/P21s league but certainly no Gold Class!! :bounce Thanks for letting me vent on one detailing site that is not biased, and won't take off points for typos!!
 
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<strong class='bbc'> Ripsnort, there's no need to laugh at us and ridicule our "defensive" reactions. [/b]</blockquote>Actually, I believe that he has a valid point. Also, I am not Ripsnort but I do not believe that his comments were ridiculing Autopians.
 
ALL products contain petroleum distillates of some sort. Aliphatic hydrocarbons are just straight chain hydrocarbons like ethane, butane, methane,etc,etc. There are thousands of them.



To say 2 products are the same because they both contain petroleum distillates is false by a long shot.
 
I wouldn't kill these guys that made that site that much, it's just that they sound like Consumer Reports: non-enthusiasts. They simply don't appreciate the tiny little difference in shine.



As for being defensive, I would be too!
 
they're correct, they aren't scientists. Maybe using Klasse as directed (or Zaino) doesn't work as well as how we recommend. I don't think they botched the tests they just didn't work K and Z the way we are used to. I guess we'll never know. My solution is to have a detail off. All the same cars on different wax systems, see who looks best.
 
Also, I forgot to add, you sometimes have to experiment around with the products. Proper application techniques and surface prep is imperative.
 
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Actually, I believe that he has a valid point. Also, I am not Ripsnort but I do not believe that his comments were ridiculing Autopians. [/b]</blockquote>
Fine. My bad. Maybe "ridiculing" was a bit of a harsh word. Anyway, like I said... no big deal.
 
I'll offer to buy their remaining portion of Zaino and Klasse for pennies on the dollar.





"Now, before you get mad at us and send us hate e-mail, consider this: we bought all of these waxes with our own cash (over $1500 worth), and didn't tell anyone what our intentions were."
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Intermezzo330I [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>

Fine. My bad. Maybe "ridiculing" was a bit of a harsh word. Anyway, like I said... no big deal. [/b]</blockquote>Yeah, it's not a big deal. I only made a point because I believe Ripsnort didn't mean it that way. Laters. :D
 
I can honestly say I never care what the product smells like when going on the outside of the car. Who cares! When you wipe it off the smell is gone. Unless of course it makes you sick to your stomach. But really smell as a category?



I guess they tried but I found the site difficult to navigate and a PIA. Maybe later on I will study closer and read everything. I do give them credit for trying.



Ripsnort, how did you find the site? Did another site give you a link?
 
My motto is "Use what you like, like what you use". I guess the point is, we all have an opinion on waxes and what experienced with different waxes. Its pretty much stictly opinion based. Long term effects on the same wax type over years is truly the only 'protection' test we could come to conclusive evidence on, but as I said in my previous post, thats pretty much impossible to do. What we see, what we experience in the application results of a product is what makes the product appealing to us. Prep, application, consistent maintainence is the key to any product that we use.



I did agree with a few waxes they tested, and I had also used in the past. All of it is purely objectional to each individuals tastes.
 
so has anyone have any real good experience with the P21S? i know some have but i never paid much attention to it. since it seems like the P21s beat the crap out of all the waxes in the world from that test, i just wana see from real experienced people about this product
 
GMN said: "Ripsnort, how did you find the site? Did another site give you a link?"



It was posted on the BMW/PORCHE roadfly site.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Ng Luder [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>so has anyone have any real good experience with the P21S? i know some have but i never paid much attention to it. [/b]</blockquote>Never tried it, but I hear that durability is lacking! Great for Garage Queens!! :p
 
just some thoughts...

I would think that it would be very difficult to make reliable comparisons based on a 10"X10" square on panel of a car. I would think that it would take 40 cars of the same make and color to thoroughly test all of these waxes.



Durability??? Just how can you test durability on a 10" square panel of a car? Even a low quality wax will last under a "no drive" environment. I would want to test them under real daily use conditions.



I am curious as to the time table the test was performed. I would think that after staring at a red/blue panel, testing wax after wax, that after about wax#5 they would all start to look alike. I would also think that it would take literally months to perform a test that is this extensive.



Did they carefully read and adhere to the instructions of all 40 waxes? A lot of waxes and a lot of different applications.



Don't get me wrong, you have to admire these guys' dedication to detailing and their test, they have a great idea and their intentions are right on. I just think that there are more questions left unanswered than answered. Then again they probably didn't expect to find a bunch of detailing crazed nuts like there is here on the Autopia Forum. :D
 
Apparently for Klasse, they just used one coat of AIO. As we all know until you add SG in 2-4 plus layers, the results are not that great. Since many waxes cannot be layered, that's where Klasse "shines" in more ways than one:cool:
 
The biggest problem I have is with their surface preparation:



"We used Meguiar's Professional Series buffing compounds on our panels, in varrying levels of aggressiveness. We started all of them with Medium Cut Cleaner, eventually working our way to Swirl Free Polish."



At this point it is going to be extremely difficult to notice any improvement applying a final coat of wax or sealant after doing that much surface preparation. You would definitely at least need an expensive gloss meter to have some objectivity. Who determined the results? Did 5 guys stand around knowing what was applied to a certain panel and rate it...or did they at least use double blind subjective judging? Did they take an average of all the judges results? And how many judges were there?

And after the surface was prepared they should have washed with Dawn to remove any oil residues from the Meguiar's products which may have interfered with proper surface bonding.



I could probably type 10 pages about other problems with their testing procedures and results but don't have the time to be bothered.



I give them them an A for effort but an F for planning and a C for the way the testing was carried out.



The results are pretty much useless.
 
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