PC7424 + What products/pads etc.

CumminsCrazed said:
anyone? Just wanting to make sure i get something that will work for everything
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SuperBee364 said:
Hmmm. I hate to be the one that says this, but...



The introduction of M105 and M205 is what has made many pros turn their rotaries in for PC's and/or Flexs. Those two polishes enable the PC to do stuff it's never been able to do before. Unfortunately, they are necessary in order to really get stuff done with the PC. Now before I get a whole bunch of "I've been using a PC and getting stuff done for a long time before M105/M205" replies, yes, I'm very aware of what can and can't be done with a PC. It's just that the Meguiars products take the DA polisher to an entirely new level of what can be done, and how fast it can be done.
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Just MO, of course.
 
I never used Menzerna, but from what I know, the PC might have a hard time breaking down the abrasives.



The reason M205 and M105 is so killer on the pc is because it doesnt need to be broken down. In essence, the PC becomes a DA "sander". With the PC and SMAT, you just work it until the defects are gone. You dont have to work it and work it and work it until the abrasives are broken down.



I cant tell you not to get the menzerna, because it might work out quite well for you, but I can tell you that if the pc is your only tool, I highly reccomend Megs line. M105, M86, M205, Ultimate Compound, SwirlX, and ScratchX 2.0 all contain SMAT.
 
Super Micro Abrasive Technology. Basically their unigrit technology in a polish.



The abrasives are all exactly the same size and are non diminishing. They dont break down. Traditional polishes start with bigger abrasives and get finer and finer until theres nothing.



The good thing about M105 is that a similiar heavy cut compound (aka rocks in a bottle) may leave tracers since not all the time are the abrasives milled to the exact same size. You may end up chasing these later with more steps. With SMAT, the surface is cut equally, aka no tracers to chase.
 
I never used Menzerna, but from what I know, the PC might have a hard time breaking down the abrasives.
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Not true in the least. A PC will easily break down all Menz polishes, even with 6.5" pads.



toyotaguy said:
yep, DO NOT GET 6.5" pads for the PC!!!
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Legacy99 said:
Stick with your 4" and 5.5" pads. PC cannot handle the larger 6-6.5" pads. Forget about the counterweight, it won't make a difference what weight you use.
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I'm sorry, but this simply isn't true. Yes, the smaller the pad the better the cut will be and the faster you can remove defects. However, saying that 6.5" pads don't work is simply 100% untrue. I'm getting tired of people saying this when it's complete BS.



Like many here, I have a DA and a rotary. I find myself using the PC about 75% of the time, and with 6.5" LC pads (orange and white) at that. I have smaller pads, but I simply prefer using the 6.5" ones (probably because I have an abundance of them, and there is a lot of flat swatches of real estate on my daily driver:buffing:). In the case of polishes with diminishing abrasives, such as IP and FPII, you can break them down just as well using large pads as smaller ones--it just takes a *bit* more time.



If you prefer using the smaller pads, that's fine--there are many good reasons to do so. However, be fair and admit that the larger pads work very well under many circumstances :hifive:
 
OK so heres what im thinking right now.....a few diff options, some as kids off autogeek and some kits i put together myself



Porter Cable 7424 pad kit, porter cable accessories kit, porter cable polisher kit

+M105 and M205 (any LSP's or anything youd rec. on top of those?



Pinnacle Porter Cable 7424 Kit, Lake country ccs pads, polishing pads, porter cable pads, porter cable kit



Wolfgang Porter Cable 7424 Swirl-Free Kit



Menzerna Porter Cable Maximum Shine Kit FREE BONUS



Optimum Porter Cable 7424 Kit Remove swirl marks and paint flaws



Poorboy’s Porter Cable 7424 Polish & wax Kit







Now, before anyone freaks and talks about the 6.5" pads and nothing more....i also plan to get this....







CCS foam buffing pads,foam polishing pads,lake country foam pads,foam polisher pads,buffer pads,lake county pads,porter cable pads,pads for air sander (how many of what color??)



Spot Buffing 4 inch pads, Lake country 4 inch pads, 4 inch foam pads, 4 inch ccs pads, ccs foam pads (how many of what color??)



Porter Cable 7424 Backing Plates- Dual Action Hook & Loop backing plate for your porter cable 7424, The best backing plates for the Porter Cable 7424



Bonnets are fabric pad covers used to buff off waxes and polishes with your polisher or buffer. microfiber bonnet, micro fiber bonnet, terry cloth (need help with bonnets of all types and uses)







Sorry this is such a long and repetitive post, i just really would like to get this figured out so i know what to get and what seems to work well with these kits and/or my kit i put together
 
CumminsCrazed said:
OK so heres what im thinking right now.....a few diff options, some as kids off autogeek and some kits i put together myself



Porter Cable 7424 pad kit, porter cable accessories kit, porter cable polisher kit There's usually always a few products of questionable value in these all-in-one kits. The stuff in this one: the CCS pads. The regular flat pads are (arguably) better. Also, the pad conditioner is really not needed. I'd also recommend getting a jar of DP pad cleaning powder rather than the spray inlcuded in the kit. I'd also recommend that you never use an LC yellow foam pad on a PC (or a rotary, for that matter). They can leave nasty compounding marks that are then impossible to remove with anything other than a rotary and aggressive polish.

+M105 and M205 (any LSP's or anything youd rec. on top of those?



Pinnacle Porter Cable 7424 Kit, Lake country ccs pads, polishing pads, porter cable pads, porter cable kit I can't comment on the Pinnacle abrasive polishes, but Souveran is a very good (albeit short duration) wax. Once again, the kit includes CCS pads.



Wolfgang Porter Cable 7424 Swirl-Free Kit I haven't used the wolfgang polishes, either. Once again, CCS pads.



Menzerna Porter Cable Maximum Shine Kit FREE BONUS Of all the kits, this one looks the best. IP and FP are both very good polishes.



Optimum Porter Cable 7424 Kit Remove swirl marks and paint flaws This one looks very good, too. I haven't used the new Optimum polishes, but the last revsionof their polishes were good and very easy to use. The other Optimum products included in tihs kit are excellent, too. It's hard to say that this kit is definitely better than the Menzerna kit, cause I haven't used the new polish versions, but it certainly *looks* like it would be a great kit to consider.



Poorboy’s Porter Cable 7424 Polish & wax Kit I'm not going to comment on this one, cause I'm afraid it might start a flame war. :) I'll just say that I think the Menzerna kit and/or the Optimum kit are better values.







Now, before anyone freaks and talks about the 6.5" pads and nothing more....i also plan to get this....







CCS foam buffing pads,foam polishing pads,lake country foam pads,foam polisher pads,buffer pads,lake county pads,porter cable pads,pads for air sander (how many of what color??) The CCS pads aren't necessarily *bad*, but after using regular old flat pads and CCS pads, I like the flat ones better. My favorite foam is still the six inch Edge wave foam. If you decide to go with the LC foam, I'd recommend three orange, three white, and three of either black/grey/blue/or red.



Spot Buffing 4 inch pads, Lake country 4 inch pads, 4 inch foam pads, 4 inch ccs pads, ccs foam pads (how many of what color??)



Porter Cable 7424 Backing Plates- Dual Action Hook & Loop backing plate for your porter cable 7424, The best backing plates for the Porter Cable 7424



Bonnets are fabric pad covers used to buff off waxes and polishes with your polisher or buffer. microfiber bonnet, micro fiber bonnet, terry cloth (need help with bonnets of all types and uses)

You really don't need bonnets, but pretty much any good MF bonnet will do.





Sorry this is such a long and repetitive post, i just really would like to get this figured out so i know what to get and what seems to work well with these kits and/or my kit i put together
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No worries, man, it's great that you're putting in so much time and effort into researching the products before you buy. :xyxthumbs



You might also want to consider a couple of four inch (or even smaller) LC purple foamed wool pads, too. They will do a much better job of heavy correction than the yellow LC foam.



Edit: forgot to mention... you might want to consdier a Flex DA polisher over the PC if your budget allows.
 
ahhh ok....so the CCS pads arent all the rave that they sound like in reading about them?



I just want something thatll work awesome and be easy for a newbie to use and not get discouraged with!







Edit back at ya: Whats the diff between the PC7472 and the Flex?
 
CumminsCrazed said:
ahhh ok....so the CCS pads arent all the rave that they sound like in reading about them?



I just want something thatll work awesome and be easy for a newbie to use and not get discouraged with!







Edit back at ya: Whats the diff between the PC7472 and the Flex?
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I'm probably over-doing the whole CCS pad thing.. it's not that they are *bad* pads by any means, it's just that I'd spend my money on other pads first.



The Flex is quite a bit more powerful than a PC and has forced rotation.
 
The pc is clutch driven. Force is good on the pc when polishing but if you put too much pressure the rotation will stop and it will only jiggle. On the other hand, the flex will rotate no matter the pressure.



The PC is measured in OPM (oscillations per minute)

The Flex is measure in both RPMs and OPMs



The pc doesnt have a set RPM rating for each notch on the speed dial only OPM rating (top is 6000)



The Flex does have a set RPM rating (160-480rpms) and OPM rating (3200-9600opms)



As you can see the flex is a much more powerful machine. Its a lot more powerful in OPMs alone not mention its forced RPMs.



It also is quite a bit more expensive. Pretty much your whole $300 budget.
 
CumminsCrazed said:
ok and what exactly is "SMAT"
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Super-Micro Abrasive Technology.



Bottom line is it works better than anything I've used in over 50 years of detailing.



How I wish I had this years ago. The time I could have saved.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Hmmm. I hate to be the one that says this, but...



The introduction of M105 and M205 is what has made many pros turn their rotaries in for PC's and/or Flexs. Those two polishes enable the PC to do stuff it's never been able to do before. Unfortunately, they are necessary in order to really get stuff done with the PC. Now before I get a whole bunch of "I've been using a PC and getting stuff done for a long time before M105/M205" replies, yes, I'm very aware of what can and can't be done with a PC. It's just that the Meguiars products take the DA polisher to an entirely new level of what can be done, and how fast it can be done.
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hmm i see,well,i already purchased the XMT stuff so i'll just go ahead and use that up ,mess with it and see how i like it and will purchase the Meg's 105 and 205 after. Thanks for the info,i had a gut feeling i should've gone with Meg's but whatever it's not a big deal i can always get it later.
 
hmm i see,well,i already purchased the XMT stuff so i'll just go ahead and use that up ,mess with it and see how i like it and will purchase the Meg's 105 and 205 after. Thanks for the info,i had a gut feeling i should've gone with Meg's but whatever it's not a big deal i can always get it later.
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You didnt make a mistake or anything like that. Its always good to have a variety of polishes. That XMT may come in handy for that one job that m105/205 just wont work on.
 
yea it's true,i'll just get M205 later on just as a back up,but i'm not too worried about it since i know how to wetsand and if there's a tough scratch or imperfection that the XMT wont take care of alone I'll just sand it real quick and fix it.
 
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