PC vs. UDM vs. Festool: Vibration comparision results are in

ZoranC said:
Exactly my point. If you don't beg to buy (like everybody does not because when one wants to buy something easily available around he doesn't need to beg an existing owner to buy from hi, he just goes and gets it anywhere) then why you would wonder whether he begged to buy?



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wow, this is some good coffee
 
FMINUS said:
Where can I get the Festool for the lowest price?
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All resellers hold same price, which is MSRP. Considering you are in SoCal cheapest total would be same place I ordered from, Ace Tool Online, because they did free shipping and they are out of state (no sales tax).



... or you can wait till one day I maybe sell mine.
 
FMINUS said:
Does the festool use the same backing plates as the PC?
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Please see post #60.



FMINUS said:
How does the weight compare to the PC?
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I did not weigh them nor try to compare weights but paper specs say Festool is 3/4lbs lighter than PC. However, based on paper soecs Metabo would be same weight as PC and I guarantee you it is not so take that with grain of salt.



More important than his weight is his balance. That thing balances so good in hands it definitely feels much less demanding than PC. You know what, I might be working on my car this weekend in Covina. If our schedules allow and you can drop by I will bring Festool with me and you can see how it feels in your hands. PM me.
 
so if i went with the Festool, I would lose the use of all my PC backing plates.



Would the velcro pads still work with them? How many backing plates does the festool come with?
 
FMINUS said:
Would the velcro pads still work with them? How many backing plates does the festool come with?
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Any 6+" strong enough pad with big enough Velcro works with it. It comes with one backing plate. There are two more plate designs available, each is approximately $20, you can find them on Festool's Web site.
 
So, are we saying that the festool is the ultimate detail machine... would you dry sand with it instead of wet sanding ..... and is it a random orbital and a rotary all in one ... im not getting this>Im very interested but im not understanding its capabilities. I was thinking of getting the cyclo and possibly the makita rotary 9927c, but if this thing does the job of both im going with it.
 
ZoranC said:
UDM has exact same thread size as PC and Cyclo do so Cyclo carpet brushes (and all other "backing plates" meant for PC) will work with UDM.
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So basically, anything backing plates or pads that will fit on a PC will fit on a UDM? Or to state in another way, anything you can do with a PC you will be able to do with a UDM?



Sorry, I am a noob and I am trying to learn as much as I can before making any serious investments.
 
jmarm3, The Festool will not replace both DA and Rotary. It is in between. It will replace the DA and add rotary capabilities up to 600rpm, which is good for some correcting. But most people use it as high as 1500rpm, and therefore, you'll still need the Makita. The difference when comparing the Cyclo to the Festool is the 4" pads and the single speed switch. Hope that helps.



bert31, the PC and UDM are pretty much the same, except for more power on the UDM. I've never used it, but it is a little heavier. If you don't already have a machine, I'd suggest the UDM or Festool. If you already have a PC, IMHO I don't think a UDM is much of an upgrade.



The backing plates on the UDM and PC are interchangable. The festool is proprietary.
 
bert31 said:
So basically, anything backing plates or pads that will fit on a PC will fit on a UDM? Or to state in another way, anything you can do with a PC you will be able to do with a UDM?
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Yes, that is correct. Same mounting design, same thread size.
 
My wife just gave me a Festool for an anniversary gift.



I JUST bought a UDM that I don't really need now (I also have a 7424). I used the UDM for maybe 10 minutes trying it out.



If anybody wants to buy the UDM at a good price, email me & we'll work something out.



~John



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jmarm3 said:
So, are we saying that the festool is the ultimate detail machine... would you dry sand with it instead of wet sanding ..... and is it a random orbital and a rotary all in one ... im not getting this>Im very interested but im not understanding its capabilities. I was thinking of getting the cyclo and possibly the makita rotary 9927c, but if this thing does the job of both im going with it.
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tod071 said:
jmarm3, The Festool will not replace both DA and Rotary. It is in between. It will replace the DA and add rotary capabilities up to 600rpm, which is good for some correcting. But most people use it as high as 1500rpm, and therefore, you'll still need the Makita.
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Yes, tod071 is correct that it is in between. Festool is a random orbital that also has mode for forced rotation action (which is not same as rotary). Therefore it can not be called ultimate detailing machine (especially because that name is trademarked ;) ). Also it will not replace rotary. However, it reduces amount of times one needs to reach for rotary and allows those that are not experienced with rotary to avoid pitfalls of their lack of experience.



On the other side, it can not replace PC/UDM for spot correction or for carpets.



So, if one has nothing I would start with UDM because UDM will still have it's purpose later (spot correction, carpets, etc). After that I would contemplate between rotary and Festool. That would heavily depend on what are my goals, etc. If I would end up getting rotary and ended up very profficient with it I might not be getting Festool. However, some professionals still reach for Festool where they don't want to use rotary (plastic areas). Would I get Cyclo if I mastered rotary? Maybe, for quick final polishing and LSPs on bigger areas.
 
FWIW, my friend own's a body shop and loves the Festool (the $440 one). He also has the smaller version which accepts a 5" pad, but he says it really heats up if you're doing a whole car.



He uses a rotary for serious cutting and the Festool for 'making it perfect' on show cars, black cars, etc.



On my budget, $440 is excessive and I don't want the $360 version if it's going to heat up, so I'm looking for a cheaper alternative. I've been researching the Makita BO6040. It is around $250 but slightly heavier (6 pounds versus 5 pounds) than the $440 Festool.



The Makita and Festool(s) have the option of forced rotation. Does the UDM? I have read conflicting information about that.



Interestingly enough, the Makita has been around for a long time...'forced rotation' on an RO is not that new, but for some reason, it's getting very popular.
 
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