Paul's new Wax has been introduced to the UK

Vintage said:
Actually, I am leaving for London again on Monday. Anyone know where I can pick up some of Paul's new wax?



I plan to upgrade to Royale sometime this year but who knows, I may like Paul's new wax better.
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email paul hes selling his royal wax.
 
Vintage said:
I bought a $14k Rolex Daytona. Amazingly, a $20 timex from Target keeps more accurate time. Am I wrong for buying the Rolex?
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It's not amazing. Timex is battery operated. A Daytona is a sophisticated, 44 jeweled mechanical automatic movement which operates +/- a few seconds a day. Can't compare the two.



Your Rolex (like my daily wearing 40 year old Submariner) will last you a lifetime. You'll go through 30 Timex in that same time.



As a watch nut, just thought I'd point out that tidbit.



Back to the regularly scheduled program. ;)
 
trhland said:
private collection of royal and vintagewax. i p/med him to ask why and he responded because he found out they contained 6 to 8 percent silicone and that he cant use them anymore.
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Are talking about Zymol EG?
 
Spilchy said:
It's not amazing. Timex is battery operated. A Daytona is a sophisticated, 44 jeweled mechanical automatic movement which operates +/- a few seconds a day. Can't compare the two.



Your Rolex (like my daily wearing 40 year old Submariner) will last you a lifetime. You'll go through 30 Timex in that same time.



As a watch nut, just thought I'd point out that tidbit.



Back to the regularly scheduled program. ;)
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Hi Spilchy, nice to meet another watch nut. Are you a member of timezone too? I guess the point I was making is that a $20 watch can outperform a $14k watch and they're both used for the same purpose. I still like the Rolex better. Chronometers have a special appeal.



Now about PD's wax . . .
 
trhland said:
email paul hes selling his royal wax.
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Thanks for the suggestion but I don't think Zymol would honor the refills for the Royale. Besides, PD probably wants the same amount in GBP and that just kills our USD. But thank you for the suggestion.
 
I would have a hard time believing that Vintage or Royale has silicone (as they make a full disclosure of the contents of their wax); And that PD's wax (or Swissvax) doesn't contain silicone as a comparison. Zymol's waxes are all natural; And I am giving the benefit of the doubt that Swissvax wax is also all natural.
 
I know a guy (who asked me not to realse his name) who was looking at buying pauls wax. ztmol wants 60% of the msrp to transfer the refill rights
 
Vintage said:
Hi Spilchy, nice to meet another watch nut. Are you a member of timezone too?
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LONG time lurker there and a few other spots. Too many forums to post in :D I have a huge collection of WW2 military watches (among many others) that I had complete restorations performed on with all NOS parts and NOS straps. I'm thinking of joining and putting together an nice thread with them all.



I have a 1930's Doctor's chronometer with pulsations on the dial made by Election with a Valjoux 72 movement. It says chronometer on the dial. Not certain it is one for sure. The gold plated case was in poor shape so I had it completely restored finishing with 40 microns of 24k yellow gold. Beautiful!



Back to PD's wax... :)
 
lbls1 said:
I would have a hard time believing that Vintage or Royale has silicone (as they make a full disclosure of the contents of their wax); And that PD's wax (or Swissvax) doesn't contain silicone as a comparison. Zymol's waxes are all natural; And I am giving the benefit of the doubt that Swissvax wax is also all natural.
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I know the guy who used to be the Canadian distributor for Zymol (in the mid-90s). He had a sample analysed by an accredited lab in Toronto. I don't know exactly which wax it was, but it was one of the highend ones. And, yes, it did contain silicone. Up to that point he had accepted Zymol's word that their waxes were all natural and contained no silicone.
 
superstring said:
I know the guy who used to be the Canadian distributor for Zymol (in the mid-90s). He had a sample analysed by an accredited lab in Toronto. I don't know exactly which wax it was, but it was one of the highend ones. And, yes, it did contain silicone. Up to that point he had accepted Zymol's word that their waxes were all natural and contained no silicone.
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The thick plottens. ;)
 
Vintage said:
Thanks for the suggestion but I don't think Zymol would honor the refills for the Royale. Besides, PD probably wants the same amount in GBP and that just kills our USD. But thank you for the suggestion.
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paul said that theres a 500 dollor transfer fee. to transfer refills. he belives.
 
Alfisti said:
Are talking about Zymol EG?
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not sure what you mean . eg? im refuring to royal and vintage.hes selling them due to silicone content that they contain .this is what paul had told me thats all i know .
 
trhland said:
not sure what you mean . eg? im refuring to royal and vintage.hes selling them due to silicone content that they contain .this is what paul had told me thats all i know .
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Not disputing anything you said...just asking for clarification.



Because I was under the impression Zymol EGs are all natural non-silicone, I wondered whether you were referring to something else.



If what is being said here about silicone content is correct then someone's got some explaining to do.
 
Alfisti said:
Not disputing anything you said...just asking for clarification.



Because I was under the impression Zymol EGs are all natural non-silicone, I wondered whether you were referring to something else.



If what is being said here about silicone content is correct then someone's got some explaining to do.
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contact zymol for more information . i have no idea im not a chemist.maybe paul is? i have know idea.
 
superstring said:
I know the guy who used to be the Canadian distributor for Zymol (in the mid-90s). He had a sample analysed by an accredited lab in Toronto. I don't know exactly which wax it was, but it was one of the highend ones. And, yes, it did contain silicone. Up to that point he had accepted Zymol's word that their waxes were all natural and contained no silicone.
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Thanks. This person would need to produce (publish) the lab results, and the findings in order for me to believe it. There is a lot of heresay out there in the wide world of the Internet, and just because someone says this or that, or changes brands for whatever claimed or unknown reason, doesn't make a statement or a claim as a fact. Not that I couldn't believe findings....but I'd have to see it.



But what I find strange is that one wax company is accused of having the "dreaded" silicone as an ingredient, while all of a sudden we are all supposed to believe that "my new wax (paraphrase)" is all natural just from heresay. Not siding with one wax maker or another; But its funny to observe what sometimes a little competition can produce.
 
lbls1 said:
Thanks. This person would need to produce (publish) the lab results, and the findings in order for me to believe it. There is a lot of heresay out there in the wide world of the Internet, and just because someone says this or that, or changes brands for whatever claimed or unknown reason, doesn't make a statement or a claim as a fact. Not that I couldn't believe findings....but I'd have to see it.



But what I find strange is that one wax company is accused of having the "dreaded" silicone as an ingredient, while all of a sudden we are all supposed to believe that "my new wax (paraphrase)" is all natural just from heresay. Not siding with one wax maker or another; But its funny to observe what sometimes a little competition can produce.
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Hmm....:think: I don't know what the problem is with silicone anyway. Sure you don't want it floating around the bodyshop environment, but, when used properly, it can impart many positive attributes to a wax formula. But I guess for some it remains the devil incarnate! :confused: Zymol being one manufacturer who launched a (unjustifiable IMHO) campaign against silicone. If my information is correct, looks a little sleazy, huh?



PS, not that it matters, but the ex-Zymol distributor I know now makes his own wax - Victoria Wax - maybe you've heard of it ;)
 
superstring- I too have pretty much ignored the whole brouhaha over silicone but IIRC (short version follows) Menzerna has been saying that silicones penetrate the outer build film of paint and cause problems that cannot be easily solved- it gets into the paint and won't come out.



My experience: the old version of 3M Showcar Paste Wax had an obvious form of silicone (some 69-cent word I can't remember) listed in the ingredients. I've used it on a few cars that never suffered any negative effects from it. I've even had paintwork done on some of those cars with no problems.



Leaving aside the whole issue of categorically demonizing silicones....I find it pretty odd that Zymol EGs (of all products!) would suddenly be exposed as being unsuitable for safe use on auto paint. Can't somebody find the MSDS for 'em and see what's what :confused:
 
Accumulator said:
superstring- I too have pretty much ignored the whole brouhaha over silicone but IIRC (short version follows) Menzerna has been saying that silicones penetrate the outer build film of paint and cause problems that cannot be easily solved- it gets into the paint and won't come out.



My experience: the old version of 3M Showcar Paste Wax had an obvious form of silicone (some 69-cent word I can't remember) listed in the ingredients. I've used it on a few cars that never suffered any negative effects from it. I've even had paintwork done on some of those cars with no problems.



Leaving aside the whole issue of categorically demonizing silicones....I find it pretty odd that Zymol EGs (of all products!) would suddenly be exposed as being unsuitable for safe use on auto paint. Can't somebody find the MSDS for 'em and see what's what :confused:
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Accumulator, I'm no expert on this, but I think you may find what Menzerna is saying is that silicone is unsuitable for use on uncured paint.



Here's a thread discussing silicone in wax on the Detailing Bliss board.



Silicone in wax? - Detailing Bliss Forum



I'm sure you'll recognize at least one poster from times gone by on this board ;) Anyway, member "Rubbish Boy" has had first hand experience, inasmuch as he created his own wax from scratch (with a little professional help) and detailed the process on the Detailing World (UK) board. Very interesting read, if you're curious.
 
superstring- Heh heh, yeah, nice to see TOGWT's still posting :D





I forget where I saw it, but the Menzerna info wasn't just about fresh repaints. The whole thing made silicones out to be the worst thing imaginable and to be honest I couldn't help but take it with a grain of salt. Not saying it was inaccurate info, but what they were describing (sorta like "smears" permanently in the paint) sure never happened to me.



So RubbishBoy felt he needed to create his own wax huh?
 
Accumulator said:
superstring- Heh heh, yeah, nice to see TOGWT's still posting :D





I forget where I saw it, but the Menzerna info wasn't just about fresh repaints. The whole thing made silicones out to be the worst thing imaginable and to be honest I couldn't help but take it with a grain of salt. Not saying it was inaccurate info, but what they were describing (sorta like "smears" permanently in the paint) sure never happened to me.



So RubbishBoy felt he needed to create his own wax huh?
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Yeah, TOGWT! :D



Rubbishboy's project started out as a fun, learning thing. Here's the thread on DW. 26 pages!



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