Paul's new Wax has been introduced to the UK

See, this is exactly what I did not mean for this thread to be.



The fact that capitalism and free choice really bother some people. Why exactly, I am not sure. The beauty of the system however is that if you feel that there is a market for something then you can set your goods at that price point and see what happens. It is our choice as consumers to decide if that price point fits us. If not, then you do not have to buy it, period. Are their areas in this world where people could better spend their money? Sure, but it is their money to do with what they want.



Where I live there are a lot of people with megabucks. Last year right around Christmas there were higher end clients that were complaining that the ultra-rich had a problem with the exclusivity of some fashions. They were asking, "what makes my Gucci (I could have the name wrong) bag different from hers". Well Gucci responded with a bag that was $20k usd that was a patchwork of some of their other popular bags. The bag to me looked ridiculous, but they sold out of the 40 that they made for the area, in less than a week. That shows that people are willing to spend big bucks for exclusive items.



Although Paul says that the higher end Crystal Rock wax is for him to keep, I am willing to bet that someone will offer to buy it from him.
 
I change my post. Now there are now 15,000 interested automotive enthusiasts talking about this wax, Swissvax, and Paul Dalton. Mission accomplished.



Much more effective than that one person you got through your $1000 bulk mailing last month who drives a Toyota Echo and wanted a $65 wax job!! How many of your friends have you told about Paul Dalton, Swissvax, or this $10k wax in the past 2 days? how many other forums have you linked to this story? Insanity...



Guys, there is nothing stopping you from doing this yourselves! this is a marketing machine.
 
Alfisti said:
He didn't want to sell the wax...so he releases a Press Statement. Are we for real? Come on people. :think:
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Why do you care? I believe in capitalism to the fullest. I don't look down on people with obsense money, nor do I really give a **** where they choose to spend. Why do you?
 
JuneBug said:
Gee, ya'll mean this shizz is better than Z2?? Nah, can't be!
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Actually if you look on detailingworld, you will find a post in which most people (who didn't know which wax was what) chose the looks of 5 month old Zaino over Royale. After trying Royale, I will say that I was NOT impressed in the least. It looked good, but P21s 100 percent looked much better. Souveran was rated 2nd, and nobody choose Royale.
 
howareb said:
See, this is exactly what I did not mean for this thread to be...
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Sigh...yeah, these threads usually end up getting me down before they run their course. But thanks for posting it anyhow, I always find PD's endeavors interesting.



CalgaryDetail said:
Its marketed to those worth hundreds of millions with millions put into cars...
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That's what I always figure with products like this. People with net worth in that range simply have a different concept of "money"/etc. and I truly don't think most folks can even imagine how these people process such stuff...they give this kind of money away in tips every time they visit a major city.



lbls1 said:
..Without optimal paint condition, no prep or lsp will produce a good finish (short of a repaint)...
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Heh heh, can I interpret that as your admitting there's no point in my trying an EG on my mid-'80s original-paint keepers ;) OOOOOH I couldn't resist :lol
 
Scottwax said:
What hate? Personally, I am just pointing out that a $20,000 wax that as it appears in the picture posted doesn't look any better IMO than $15 bottle of Collinite 845. I HIGHLY doubt it protects any better either.



If Paul can actually find buyers at that price point, good for him. I just won't be one of them.
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I didn't mean "hate" in the definitive term - only in the slang version. "Hating, hate = questionable objections." Check out urbandictionary dot com to see what I meant. Sorry for the disconnect.
 
I don't think anyone's questioning whether or not PD has the right to sell a $20k wax or whether or not someone has the right to buy it. And in fact, the buyer would, by definition, feel that it is worth it otherwise he/she would not have bought it in the first place.



However, that does not preclude others from scratching their head in wonderment at such a purchase. As human beings, it is near impossible to not judge other's based on their behavior. We do not live in a vaccum. It's like someone buying a 24k gold toilet bowl studded with diamonds. If a person wanted to do that and had the money, that is their choice. But they shouldn't be surprised if others saw that as really bizarre to say the least and, yes, even wasteful. Just as that person has the right to make such a purchase, others have the right to view that behavior as gluttonous and a waste of money. It can even be argued that the effects do, in fact, go beyond the confines of that person's bathroom (to continue the analogy). People "vote with their dollars." Again, that doesn't mean folks don't have the right to spend how they wish, but that also doesn't mean it's always only about two people making a transaction.



And how far does it stretch? Endlessly? If there was a marketing supergenius that could sell a $1 million wax and a buyer willing to pay it, shall we not think that rather odd simply because it's marketing and economics at work?
 
So back to looks as Scottwax says 90% is prep. And what average guy or gal 99% of the population can tell the difference between CMW, Zaino, P21S, Souveran or what I use Vintage ???? So 0.0001% is really going to care what product you wax your car with ??? So I just "feel good" cause I use Vintage. Is it worth $1800.00 I paid. To 99.9999 % NO!!! To me 0.0001% YES. JMHO
 
Accumulator [COLOR="Navy" said:
Heh heh, can I interpret that as your admitting there's no point in my trying an EG on my mid-'80s original-paint keepers ;) OOOOOH I couldn't resist :lol [/COLOR]
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I said no such thing pal. You don't get off the hook that easily!!! Lol!!! My point is that one should not discount the attributes of an lsp and automatically credit an overwhelming percentage of the final look to prep. Prep is essential to bring the best look out of your lsp, but the paint integrity is crutial in order for prep work to be effective at any measure. Besides, I thought you were done repainting those classics lol!!!:welcome
 
howareb said:
Is it our job to stop people from buying what they want? This wax is a want, definatly not a need. You are right more power to Paul.
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Of course not. As educated automotive care care fanatics, we all know in our right minds that there is no real "want" for it. Given Paul Dalton's fabulous prep work, a final coat of Z5 or Ultima or Carnauba Moose or Souveran will look as incredible on his cars as that wax.



It is utterly obscene to rationalize in any capacity a viable "want" for it as an educated car care enthusiast. Have you (not you howareb!) sat back and actually absorbed how much is being asked for a jar of wax?!



I'm sorry, but anyone who buys this is a moron. Having millions of dollars apparently gives you a license to be an idiot. Just because someone has the money doesn't mean that they are immune from criticism. Paul (again, hats off to him, honestly) will be laughing all the way to the bank.



As far as other luxury items, I don't feel this is the same. There are HUGE differences between fine goods like leather items, shoes, clothes, watches, cars, etc... when compared to similar, cheaper items in the same category. Quality, material, fit and finish, craftsmanship, longevity, reliability, comfort, etc... are better with luxury items (and in the end, more cost effective than buying cheaper stuff over and over again).



I guess as an educated car detailer I need a better excuse other than a "want" for it given that there is no real discernible difference to warrant the blatantly absurd price between Paul's LSP and the others I mentioned on a perfectly prepped vehicle.
 
jsatek said:
I change my post. Now there are now 15,000 interested automotive enthusiasts talking about this wax, Swissvax, and Paul Dalton. Mission accomplished.



Much more effective than that one person you got through your $1000 bulk mailing last month who drives a Toyota Echo and wanted a $65 wax job!! How many of your friends have you told about Paul Dalton, Swissvax, or this $10k wax in the past 2 days? how many other forums have you linked to this story? Insanity...



Guys, there is nothing stopping you from doing this yourselves! this is a marketing machine.
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Excellent points, but someone has to cough up the cash to buy it in the end. How many people reading these boards have that kind of disposable income? How many people reading these boards *with* the disposable income are educated enough (after spending time on the forums) to see through it?



I guess those who buy Paul's waxes are his clients that aren't bothered with these boards because they can pay someone to do the stuff we view as a hobby. They aren't reading these boards!



And no (to ward off replies :p ), making the argument that people hop on the flavor of the month bandwagon is the same as buying this wax won't fly with me. I'm sorry spending $12 on a bottle of NXT 2.0 doesn't quite pass mustard with buying this wax.



EDIT: I am in no way "hating" on Paul Dalton. I have never criticized him or his outstanding abilities or his Capitalist endeavor. I will rightfully admit that I am hating on those who buy it :D
 
In all frankness "who cares?" The multi millionaires that he caters to may have interest in this but for the rest of us slobs it has no impact. Don't misunderstand, the man has established top status in a top status crowd and does perform "miracles" with their cars. This is a far cry from the norm and should be considered in the top 5% of detailers. He has found his niche and good for him!



For the rest of us that clean mini van carpets full of potato chips and fenders full of tar this has no bearing. Nice but simply does not affect me in any way shape or form. Pardon me for being a commoner.
 
[Note: Accumulator is a firm believer in utterly-free-market capitalism and believes that expenditures should be viewed relative to the involved parties' thresholds of significance]



On threads like this I sometimes find myself disagreeing with people that I *usually* see eye-to-eye with. Guess I'll just save bandwidth and refrain from more participation in this thread..other than replying to:



lbls1 said:
.. I thought you were done repainting those classics lol!!!
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That was my point, I can't correct the paint, and I *won't* repaint, so some special LSP would be pointless :dance But upon rereading your post I can see how I might've misinterpreted :think: But some of those factory paintjobs are pretty low-quality too!



Heh heh, you and I can pick this up (yet) again on some other thread :chuckle:
 
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