Paul Dalton's so called 61 steps

[Sam Funteas]

I don't understand why some people here take it upon themselves to attack paul or make fun of his marketing. The people in this forum are professionals and his price levels seem to be the high end of what one can charge. Why is everyone so mad? Isn't it good that he is bringing awareness and value to your profession?



You would think he was charging $1.00 for his details and making everyone else's work seemed overpriced, instead it's the exact opposite. I don't detail professionally for a living so it doesn't matter to me, but I just think he is bringing a new awareness and value to your profession, so take it for what's it worth.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't understand why some people here take it upon themselves to attack paul or make fun of his marketing. The people in this forum are professionals and his price levels seem to be the high end of what one can charge. Why is everyone so mad? Isn't it good that he is bringing awareness and value to your profession?



You would think he was charging $1.00 for his details and making everyone else's work seemed overpriced, instead it's the exact opposite. I don't detail professionally for a living so it doesn't matter to me, but I just think he is bringing a new awareness and value to your profession, so take it for what's it worth.

I think a lot of it is jealousy but its also upsetting that he can get away with charging what he does when people here can do just as quality of work. Paul does not do anything ultra spectacular while detailing. All Paul is is a status thing for the rich in his area so that they can say they paid for a $5k detail along with their half a million dollar car.



Paul uses products that everyone has access to and does not exhibit any earth shattering techniques or processes.

 

[ron231]

The one thing I do not understand abut PD is why he does not remove the wheels, I know if any of my customers want a concours detail the wheels will be removed for sure!

 

[imported_bigfoot1]

I think Paul is good at what he does. I'm not going to say this or that negative of him because what he's charging, is what he thinks is fair for the type of work he does. And here's the trick: Marketing!

 

[JRock10]

The one thing I do not understand abut PD is why he does not remove the wheels, I know if any of my customers want a concours detail the wheels will be removed for sure!

he may be avoiding the same personal liability that i am. i am a professional detailer, not a professional tire changer. i am not professionally qualified to remove, clean, re-install, and re-torque a client's wheels. i do not want the responsibilty of tires falling off.



now, that said. do i know how to pull tires? of course, i used to work at a car audio/wheel shop. does that mean that i'm going to do it in my own business? no. why? because "well, your honor, i thought i had the lugnuts pretty tight" doesn't hold up very well in court.

 

[twitch]

he may be avoiding the same personal liability that i am. i am a professional detailer, not a professional tire changer. i am not professionally qualified to remove, clean, re-install, and re-torque a client's wheels. i do not want the responsibilty of tires falling off.



now, that said. do i know how to pull tires? of course, i used to work at a car audio/wheel shop. does that mean that i'm going to do it in my own business? no. why? because "well, your honor, i thought i had the lugnuts pretty tight" doesn't hold up very well in court.

This is in line with what I was thinking.



Also it's not like he'd be removing wheels from a Civic... we're talking special applications such as the Enzo. I wouldn't want that liability either.



I'm happy the man get's paid what he does and enjoys the hell out of it :2thumbs:



That is what life is about anyway, isn't it? :goodjob

 

[JRock10]

something else we all have to remember, this man uses a $7000 wax. and has a, what $5k or $6k paint thickness test system? he also filters and heats his water to wash. yes, paul has quite the marketing scheme, but he also has quite the overhead. most of us of far less than $7k in all of our equipment (minus vehicles or buildings). he spends that much on a jar of wax! i don't hate the guy, do what you do. i also believe similar results can be acheived with less expensive products, provided the technique is good.

 

[clnfrk]

he may be avoiding the same personal liability that i am. i am a professional detailer, not a professional tire changer. i am not professionally qualified to remove, clean, re-install, and re-torque a client's wheels. i do not want the responsibilty of tires falling off.



now, that said. do i know how to pull tires? of course, i used to work at a car audio/wheel shop. does that mean that i'm going to do it in my own business? no. why? because "well, your honor, i thought i had the lugnuts pretty tight" doesn't hold up very well in court.

So, would the business insurance not cover such a scenario if it was to happen? And, for as much as he charges for details, there is simply no excuse to overlook the proper tightening of wheel lugs had he offered this service. Everything should be double checked or triple checked at those rates.

 

[Brian_Brice]

You all know he posts here by now correct?



How awkward would any of you operating professionals feel if you saw a thread discussing(hating bashing questioning) your pricing structure? Especially when the OP is probably the greenest poster on this site.

 

[Bert]

thanks to Mountee

found this on his website:



THE 61 STAGES



1. Rinse vehicle with 30C purified water

I assume the 30C means 30 degrees Celcius?



If my math is correct that is 86 degrees Fahrenheit.

 

[imported_JoshVette]

You all know he posts here by now correct?



How awkward would any of you operating professionals feel if you saw a thread discussing(hating bashing questioning) your pricing structure? Especially when the OP is probably the greenest poster on this site.

+1



I don't know if he posts on here or not, I wouldn't think so though?





But I wouldn't want anyone talking about my services this way if it were me.:argue



Josh

 

[Brian_Brice]

+1



I don't know if he posts on here or not, I wouldn't think so though?





But I wouldn't want anyone talking about my services this way if it were me.:argue



Josh

Josh,



He's under the screenname Miracle, He's posted some pics of some very high end vehicles he's detailed, he get's to detail the best of the best that's for sure. On the other end of the spectrum any advertising is supposedly good uh?

 

[Accumulator]

So, would the business insurance not cover such a [damage from wheel R&R] scenario if it was to happen?

Noting that I pull the wheels off my vehicles quite often and wouldn't hesitate to do it on *most* cars....



Insurance might pay for a repair, but a vehicle is only original once and if something gets damaged and fixed, even if it's fixed perfectly, then it simply isn't the same as it was before.



I've had high-end dealerships cause (admittedly minute) damage when they R&Red wheels, [stuff] happens. Yeah, they had it fixed, but things weren't the same IMO.

 

[Pats300zx]

+1



I don't know if he posts on here or not, I wouldn't think so though?





But I wouldn't want anyone talking about my services this way if it were me.:argue



Josh

If I was him and I read all this I wouldn't be posting here much anyway



Who cares about wheather its 61 steps or 30. His results are very good and his marketing is top notch.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

You all know he posts here by now correct?



How awkward would any of you operating professionals feel if you saw a thread discussing(hating bashing questioning) your pricing structure? Especially when the OP is probably the greenest poster on this site.

Why would it matter if he posts here?

 

[Brian_Brice]

Why would it matter if he posts here?

Why would it matter that you talk trash on a member of the forum in a thread with his full name on it? I don't think i should have to explain why. Sorry if you don't understand why it's not even close to cool.

 

[twitch]

Why would it matter if he posts here?

Because (most of) the members of Autopia are courteous and respectful, that's why.



We know that you are

sure tiring of hearing about this guy.

but no one around here needs to be personally criticized. It is classless and certainly not the “Autopian way�. :up

 

[Wolf-Strong]

Miracle Detail

I admire Paul, in fact I would never speak badly about his work. The list is very detailed but some of it is redundant. Definitely a gifted detailer with excellent marketing skills. Cheers Paul! :bow

Couldn't of said it better myself. Overpriced is only overpriced when people won't pay for it.

 

[miracledetail]

Hi all,



Nice posts!



Kind Regards

Paul Dalton.

 

[Pats300zx]

Hi all,



Nice posts!



Kind Regards

Paul Dalton.

Hey Paul...



Nice to see you posting here. Please don't feel that the negative comments are a reflection of the Autopian community as a whole. We enjoy seeing your work. Its top notch...:2thumbs: