P21S or Zymol Ital ?

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adamzx3

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I was browsing around and found a link for zymol Ital and what caught my attention is:

"Glaze provides a clarity and depth of color generally not found in the original paintwork" and also that its designed for the softer euro-clears



anyway I really like my zymol cleaner wax and its the best stuff ive found over the counter....but now i'm stuck between zymol ital and the P21S that i've heard nothing but good things about.



also I am going 2 be repainting it a pearl medium lime green color with house of kolor clear and I figured the zymol ital wax might be better for the softer non-factory paint?





anyone have any suggestions on which one to coose? (price isnt an issue really, amazon has ital estate for $66 bucks)
 
adamzx3- Welcome to Autopia!



Between those two I'd get the P21S, but I'd really get Pinnacle Souveran instead ;)



The Zymol stuff will probably require you to apply it with your bare hands (so your body heat will melt the wax), that's how Zymol's hi-end stuff usually works.



The "soft clear" bit in the Zymol ad copy is kinda a red herring as a) some Euro clears are *VERY* hard, and b) all waxes of this type are fine for any clear/paint, they're all nonabrasive anyhow. Zymol's advertising hyperbole is, IMO truly egregious. Absolutely off the deep end. I'm not saying their products aren't any good, but....if it doesn't look good with Souveran or P21S on it then you either a) desire a look that's different from the "carnauba look" or b) your paint has issues.



Remember to let that new paint cure/outgas for 2-3 months before you use *any* wax on it. I'd use Meg's #5 in the meantime.
 
Accumulator gave you great advice, respect the man!! :2thumbs:



That Zymol Cleaner Wax you have is actually made by Turtle Wax, believe it or not.



Zymol's cost breakdown seems to be 10% ingredients, 90% rediculous marketing. I'm sure they make some good waxes, but claiming that something is made for soft, Italian clears is just ludicrous...any wax without cleaners or abrasives is just as OK for soft, Euro clears.
 
lol. It made me laugh when I read about the bare handed method of application of the zymol stuff, back when I got curious about the high end zymol products from the "Utimate Detailer" thread. I got to thinking more marketing stuff with the Utimate Detailer and zymol products.



"The ultimate detailer uses the purest methods. He strips down in the nude and smothers his bare body with the ultimate 500% carnauba zymol products and makes passionate love to your car, leaving the ultimate depth and reflection and shine that only the ultimate detailer can give."



hehe. Sorry, back on topic.



Souveran is 'ultimate' good. Especially if you are willing to dish out that kind of money for ital. Cheaper but pretty solid carnauba are Trade Secret and Pizzaz from TOL. And I hear good things about Natty's Blue.



btw, do you drive an italian car? That's what the zymol site said Ital is specialized for.
 
LOL!



Rubbing down your paint with Pledge wood polish will give it a "clarity and depth of color generally not found in the original paintwork".



The P21s will do nicely on most colors, or even better go get some S100 from your local cycle shop (motorcycle, that is).
 
Why does anybody believe that a BASF, or DuPont or PPG paint suddenly turns into a country specialized something when it is sprayed on a Lancia or whatever???



There are just as good or even better products for significantly less money. True, applying waxes by bare hands is a unique, exciting process, and agreeably a sensual one. It is very easy to apply thin, uniform layers with the hands, but who knows what chemicals gonna get absorbed into your skin. But if you want to stick to the purist hand applied wax method, choose Victoria Wax. They have nice, absolutely high end waxes for less, with fantastic scents. But I'd recommend a good tin of Finish Kare Pink Wax with a bottle of #425 detailer and that's it. Souverän is good but more expensive too.



Alternatively, buy the Mothers Reflections line OTC, and you will be more than satisfied!
 
Bence said:
Why does anybody believe that a BASF, or DuPont or PPG paint suddenly turns into a country specialized something when it is sprayed on a Lancia or whatever???
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Yeah, I always :rolleyes: about that one too. Same with the idea that paint containing flex additives (rubber bumper covers, etc.) needs a special LSP..what do they call that one..."aero wax" or something like that. Note how it always gets back to something being "special" and thus requiring/deserving special treatment. Marketing 101, everybody wants to be special and they'll spend money on it. Again, I'm not saying the stuff isn't fine, I'm just mouthing off...in all honesty, I'd probably try one of their Estate Glazes on the Jag just for kicks if it weren't for the hand application.
 
I actually have the NSX and Estate waxes from Zymol. In my testing P21S beat them all. Highly recommended.



I have tried Japon and ConCours wax from Zymol. IMO they are equal to Souverän.
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I could not disagree more. Souveran is much better in looks and ease of application/removal.
 
Wow so many replies!!



Ya i was kinda wondering if that was a marketing scheme, although I've only been a painter for a few years i've never heard of a wax for softer clears lol. Although a jag we just did a few days ago did have very soft clear, it seemed to swirl/haze if you rubbed a dry rag over it pretty easy, though it was a navy black color lol. On the plus side it buffs out very easy, her whole trunk area was very scratched up and with just some perfect it III swirl remover and a foam pad it came right out....anyway now i'm rambeling again lol.



Thanks guys I will go with the P21S, that way I can machine apply it and save half the cost! I might try that ital stuff someday if I get bored or fall into some extra money.
 
Wow I missed this post! I am an avid user of BOTH a Zymol Estate Wax (for car #1), and the versatile p21s(for car #2). Your choice will all depend on what your intentions are. If you are looking for ease of use, excellent durability, and an all around great shine and performance, then p21s is the one to choose.



But.....(be ready) if cost is not an object, and IM(Biased but based on experience)O if you want the dominant product of the two that will render you an outstanding finish, then there aren't many products that could dominate the Zymol. The downside with Zymol is that it is more involved to use and it is Very Expensive. Most people balk at the asking prices of some of their products. Make no mistake, if its handled right..........................well you will just need to see for yourself. Wow....
 
I love sourveran. But the Zymol Japon gives my car a nice finish too. Yes expensive and yes marketing hype. Do I apply Japon by hand ... No..... still gives a good finish and it is close to PS wax....JMHO ........I could name about five waxes that are all very close to being equal.
 
In my experience, Souveran outperforms even the priciest Zymol waxes. I think Souveran is wetter than any other carnauba.
 
Its not all about wetness. Natty's is one of the wettest waxes I've seen. It is the quality of the reflection, depth and clarity of the finish that is the real acid test of an lsp. When you take those things into consideration, given the same prep methods, an lsp should be able to show how effective it is. It is in this category that I've seen a distinction between the Zymols and some of the other lsps. They also cost a lot more, so the best test will need to be between similarly priced or composed lsp vs. a comparable Zymol. Measure your in person result vs. good digital profiles in both clear and overcast settings. You will want to see how well distant objects, colors and paint smoothness get reproduced in your finish. Your decision should be based on which lsp leaves the best impression.
 
lbls1- I was hoping you'd spot this thread. Any way to get around the "by hand application" that Zymol requires? I bet the Cyclo generates enough heat to facilitate application, but all the areas where you'd still have to do it by hand still make Zymol impractical for me if I have to use my bare hands (no, I'm not worried about solvents/etc. but I'm still not gonna do it).
 
Haha...wow the timing. Let me think. I believe Zymol Japon or creme could possibly be done via a pc. The problem with the higher content zymols is that if it isn't melted to a spreadable consistency you could experience streaking or marring if its not done with care. With the pc it will also require more material to spread across the surface. With the Estate Zymols you will not need nearly as much wax as you would with some of the other glazes.



I agree with you though, that the handpainting isn't the most time efficient process. Oh well.
 
lbls1- Yeah, "oh well" I guess. I was referring to the Estate Glazes and I figured the high carnauba content they tout would require the body heat.



Heh heh, if I used even less LSP than I do already I might find out what sort of shelf life these products really have (a jar/can of stuff lasts me over a decade in many cases) :D In fact that reminds me- the wax I use on my interior wood was made for Beverly Hills Motoring Accessories by Zymol. I bought it in '85 and there's still a *lot* left.



Heh heh, but then, every time I try something other than Souveran on the Jag it looks "different" and I don't like that so I end up going back to Souveran anyhow (all part of the time-machine effect that car has on me ;) ).



Thanks for getting back to me though. I know you take a got of [grief] over your appreciation of the Zymol stuff so in my mind you're kinda putting on the flame-proof suit every time you post about it.



Bence- I did that with Souveran a few times. Worked OK, wasn't too bad on my hands either. But it didn't really have any advantage that *I* could discern over just using an applicator :nixweiss
 
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