Overlooked: Menzerna PO203S Power Finish

Power Finish is an amazing polish and I am very surprised that it doesn't get more hype around here. Ever since I started using it last summer, it has become one of my most used products overall. As Ryan stated, it takes a bit more time to fully break down, but the end results are well worth the wait. Unless I am working on a vehicle that is completely trashed, Power Finish is a great alternative to a heavy compound and can remove some pretty severe defects if you are willing to put in the time.



It works great by rotary or RO polishers with just about any foam pad. Power Finish paired with the MS black wool pad is a great combo too. I always follow up PF with a finishing polish if I am using the rotary, but have used PF as a one step using the PC with awesome results.
 
I know a lot of people use IPA to remove polishing oils and such...



I know Kevis (picus') has used it but have others used "Top Of The Line's Silicone Remove?"



Silicone Remover



I bought a gallon, used it once before I really knew what it did and sold the rest...
 
I used 203 on a car last week and it worked great except it did leave a bit of holograms and some minor marring which now after reading all of this is probably due to not working it in for longer than I did. I followed it up with Prima Amigo on a white LC pad with the PC and got fantastic results. If I was better at the rotary I would have probably not needed that last step. Being new to the rotary this was a good product to use and will always have in my arsenal.
 
Thanks for all the information, gents. Greg and I have a couple cars coming up this weekend that I look forward to using Power Finish on.
 
Damn it Super I should make you send me a sample of 203 now... I've been wanting to try it but have no time or $ to just mess around with products when I have 4-6 polishes that always get the job done for me (M95, M105, SIP, 106ff, 85rd, M80)... someday soon I guess. Good to hear people are getting great results from it!
 
rydawg said:
Will it fill? Like every polish in the world, yes it will, IF you do not remove the lubricating oils with pure IPA, then you are by-passing true inspection and the lubes left behind will fill if the defects are not fully removed completly.



I can gaurantee 10000000000% that 203 does not fill.
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:nana: I know what you mean Ryan, but you may want to clarify.
 
lecchilo said:
Damn it Super I should make you send me a sample of 203 now... I've been wanting to try it but have no time or $ to just mess around with products when I have 4-6 polishes that always get the job done for me (M95, M105, SIP, 106ff, 85rd, M80)... someday soon I guess. Good to hear people are getting great results from it!
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I'm still using a sample that a member here sent me. :)
 
I love 203S, but I hate how bad it fills. The finish can look amazing, then I will iso the surface, and it looks as if the polish did NOTHING!
 
what about 151, some say it cuts pretty well, and everyone agrees it fills...BUT, just how much filling action does it have vs. cutting action?
 
D151 will cut a lot of you add some pressure while using it on the rotary. I found that it worked the best ifI added a bit of pressure on the first pass and then came back for a lighter pass. The first pass would leave some holograms, while the second would remove them.



I found that D151 did not fill all that much. Maybe just a little, but it contains a protectant and will fill anyways!



If you are doing a one step (I know, it's not real popular around here), D151 will really help.
 
There's been a few guys saying that D151 is more suitable for the PC than the rotary. Apparently, it finishes down better on a PC. I hope so, because I can't get it to finish down holo free with a rotary no matter how much I try. I have yet to try it with a PC. It *should* fill/hide/conceal defects pretty well, as the MSDS sheet for it says it has kaolin clay in it.



If I had to one step a car right now, it would definitely be with Power Finish instead of 151 or 205.
 
PorscheGuy997 said:
D151 will cut a lot of you add some pressure while using it on the rotary. I found that it worked the best ifI added a bit of pressure on the first pass and then came back for a lighter pass. The first pass would leave some holograms, while the second would remove them.



I found that D151 did not fill all that much. Maybe just a little, but it contains a protectant and will fill anyways!



If you are doing a one step (I know, it's not real popular around here), D151 will really help.
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How's the protection on D151 though... I didn't give it a fair chance to be honest (about 45 mins polishing with 2 pads) but I didn't like using it at all, and on top of that I figured the protection wouldn't be nearly as good as KSG, meaning instead of my usual 1-step with say M80/8006 or 9006 then KSG for 20-30 mins to apply/remove, I'm saving those 20-30 mins with D151 but sacrificing protection durability AND ease of use... I'll give it another go when I get a chance and see how it goes.
 
I've been looking for another good 1-step polish, exactly how long is the working time of this stuff? The way you guys are making it sound you could almost do a 2-step in the same amount of time with M105/M205???
 
I do appologize for getting this thread off topic...



D151 is a strange product. It is a protectant, yet it has a pretty substantial cut if used with some pressure. The work time is fairly long. It is not M205 long and M105 original short. I would say it has a shorter working time than M86. D151 is very thick, too.



I really can't comment on the durability (cheated and put a coat of CMW over it).



AIO products are really not my favorites to use. They seem to compromise too much. I would rather do a multi-step. If I were to choose an AIO, it would be M66. But, D151 has its place.
 
Power Finish has been in my arsenal since it came out. I like using it with a PFW but just like everyone else, I do a several 90% wipedowns just to make sure. My poor bottle of SIP hates me now.
 
zaxjax said:
Power Finish has been in my arsenal since it came out. I like using it with a PFW but just like everyone else, I do a several 90% wipedowns just to make sure. My poor bottle of SIP hates me now.
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Yeah, same here. PO203S is as easy to use as IP, and doesn't seem to get fussy like SIP can. When SIP works, though, it sure works well. I still have two liters to get through.



Over on MOL, one of the Megs guys was saying that 151 has *more cut* than 205 does. I asked if the LSP in it was sealant or wax. They responded that it's both, so theoretically, you could top it with whatever you want, but that kinda defeats the one step market they're shooting for.
 
well sorry to take this thread off topic as well, but I have poliseal, 151, 66 as being all my one steps...



151 takes the cake in terms of looks, defect removal/filling

66 wins when oxidation is present

poliseal on darker cars



I just finished 151 on a silver mercedes...talk about lots of gloss!!! I used it via PC/orange pad on the harder clear and it added a lot to the finish, removed just a little and is SUPER easy to wipe off! I last hit the car with a rotary and FPII with a finishing pad about a year ago!
 
stiffdogg06 said:
I know a lot of people use IPA to remove polishing oils and such...



I know Kevis (picus') has used it but have others used "Top Of The Line's Silicone Remove?"



Silicone Remover



I bought a gallon, used it once before I really knew what it did and sold the rest...
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That Silicone Remover sounds like a good alternative to IPA Stiff. I don't suppose you remember if it worked good or not eh? I was under the impression that prep solvents would work better than IPA but maybe it is time to go back.
 
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