One dealer wash + SOFT GM paint=?

Invigor said:
Doesn't quite strike me as a professional detailer if you're doing that.



I was trained by starting with the least aggressive polish and go from there. I'd like to see how much the clearcoat was reduced by using SIP on soft paint.
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He used his pc, so there is no way that sip removed .2 mil. Even if it did, you still have .6 mil per correction. Very far from distroying the clear.



You are either not too experienced, or just trying to give Joe a hard time. :down :down :down



Either way you shouldn't accuse Joe of not being a pro.



Just look at his previous work. We all wish (and I am sure you are one of us) we were half the PRO detailer he is.
 
Spilchy said:
Nice save Joe. But given the buttery clear, do you think you could have done without the SIP? I've achieved nice results with wash induced marring with 106FF and a LC green pad and a PC.



Glad to see you using Collinite 845! It's been my favorite for years. I think I sent you a sample like over a year ago.
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Hi Seth!!!! Long time, no see! I was just thinking baout how you introduced me to 845--I still have the little bottle in my "emergency" kit. :D I really like the Collinite, especially the 845 and 476s(thanks acccumulator!). I still need to send you those steamer parts, do you still need them?



I did try the PO106FF via PC with a polishing pad, but it just would not remove the long, straight, deeper marring that was present.
 
Invigor said:
My thoughts exactly. I have no idea why people on here are using a polish designed for super hard clearcoats on "soft" paint. Doesn't quite strike me as a professional detailer if you're doing that.



I was trained by starting with the least aggressive polish and go from there. I'd like to see how much the clearcoat was reduced by using SIP on soft paint. Factory clear is THIN guys. I don't know how large the cutting particles are in SIP, but I can imagine you're close to the .2 mils you should be removing, if not past .2...then a few years down the road the clear's gonna peel and fall off...then you really got an angry customer on your hands...sounds like fun.
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I tyed out a long reply to this, but it really doesn't make a difference if I post it or not. The fact is that perhaps I am not as good as I should be, or know everything that I should know, but I try to learn with every detail. I never want to stop learning about this trade, I am in it for the long-haul so to speak. I am here to learn, so perhaps you can tell me what I should have used in order to correct this paint? Perhaps you have a unique insight on this paint sytem and how it should be polished. I am just here to gather/share information with like-minded people, so please help me out.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Just out of curiosity, is it only the non-metallic black that is so soft? Cadillac used to have a color a few years ago called Moonstone, which was a metallic black with gold flake (I think it was gold). It was a cool color, do you know if that was soft too? Are the black Corvettes soft?
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Not Ryan, but in my experience the metallic blacks are not as soft. The black C6 Vettes are definitely *not* using this super-soft paint sytem.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Not Ryan, but in my experience the metallic blacks are not as soft. The black C6 Vettes are definitely *not* using this super-soft paint sytem.
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Sometimes I am stumped, that with likely some of the finest detailers in the country who are regulars here, that we can't get any paint or auto mfg. guys to hang out here who could give us definitive answers to these kind of questions (why this black is so soft--for correction, for OP reduction, etc.).
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Sometimes I am stumped, that with likely some of the finest detailers in the country who are regulars here, that we can't get any paint or auto mfg. guys to hang out here who could give us definitive answers to these kind of questions (why this black is so soft--for correction, for OP reduction, etc.).
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I have asked Ketch on mobile works, but as you know (if you know him), he likes to gather all of the facts before "speculating." I wish we could get some of the manufacturers to hang out here as well.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I have asked Ketch on mobile works, but as you know (if you know him), he likes to gather all of the facts before "speculating." I wish we could get some of the manufacturers to hang out here as well.
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Well, besides the fact that Ketch was banned here a long time ago for being "grumpy" (which is why I mention him in my sig now because I was similarly accused a few weeks ago), I was really referring to paint or auto mfrs. We know that any detailing product mfrs. must be sponsors here to talk about their wares. I guess a paint mfr. talking about which products to use on their paint might cross the line, but I'm sure someone at PPG or DuPont or GM knows why this black is soft and what the rationale/tradeoff was.
 
[quote name='ebpcivicsi']I still need to send you those steamer parts, do you still need them?
Good memory ;) I know you're busy your kids and the business and didn't want to bust your ballz. But yeah, they would be good whenever you have a chance like after the holidays. It's freezing up here so no detailing for me outside for a while. No rush, honestly.
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ebpcivicsi said:
I still need to send you those steamer parts, do you still need them?
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Good memory ;) I know you're busy with your kids and the business and didn't want to bust your ballz. But yeah, they would be good whenever you have a chance like after the holidays. It's freezing up here so no detailing for me outside for a while. No rush, honestly.
 
Excellent job Joe! I have watching your work for over a year, maybe two. No need to defend yourself from the keyboard detailers. :)
 
The GM metallic blacks are hard. It's the same way with BMW, the solid black is a soft as hell clear and the metallic black is hard as steel.



My observation...

For some reason on harder solid blacks, the clear would crackle from the hot sun, especially on the hoods mainly. With softer clears, they would not crackle like this. On metallics, it does not matter, cause the metallics bond the base coat/clear coat stronger.



Some companies use cheap basic black base coat/clears to keep the costs down also.



It does differ from each and every paint manufacturer.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Just out of curiosity, is it only the non-metallic black that is so soft? Cadillac used to have a color a few years ago called Moonstone, which was a metallic black with gold flake (I think it was gold). It was a cool color, do you know if that was soft too? Are the black Corvettes soft?
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They were hard. That was actually a nice color.



The black Vettes are harder. But I have heard from some people that they have had some soft newer ones. I have not gotten a new black soft one yet.:D



I always tell people, if you want to buy black, buy a metallic black.
 
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