New polymer paint sealant

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JoshVette said:
I think the benefit is in the fact that all those damages will be in this coating first and not in the actual paint itself. Just guessing I could be wrong....

However if you let a bird bomb sit just a few hours too long it will eat right through the clear coat so I wouldn't expect any kind of coating or sealant to protect against certain types of damages like that.

Josh
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My understanding from the initial post is that it won't protect the paint from bird bombs and other natural contaminants. If I'm wrong then your explanation is a good one, however, if I'm right, it still leaves me scratching my head.
 
Bird Excrement contain highly acidic concentrates (uric acid -pH 3.0-4.5)
A polymer offers very little resistance to an acid; if left for any length of time and the surface gets heated (vehicle paint temperature of 90oF+) it creates a very aggressive reactivity of the acids that are present.

Even if left for a short time acid will negatively affect a polymer (clear coat) hence the effects of an acidic wheel cleaner, even after a very short period of time
 
Funny thing is that every dealer installed paint warranty provides coverage against bid poo & acid rain if it's cleaned within a "reasonable" amount of time. There's a huge gray area in respect to defining what a "reasonable" period of time is which can be user defined by the applicator/administrator of the product/warranty.

Playing devils advocate here: Just because a product beads water for a long period and adds a measurable amount of film build doesn't make it better than what many dealers are currently installing. Per most protection warranty contracts, if you feel that the said product isn't performing to the expectations of the contract, reapplication will be performed to at no cost during the term of the contract.

Bottom line, dealer paint protection warranty against paint failure and damage. If the product fails, and your paint is damaged, they will repaint your vehicle on the affected panels. Will Optimum do the same????
 
David Fermani said:
Bottom line, dealer paint protection warranty against paint failure and damage. If the product fails, and your paint is damaged, they will repaint your vehicle on the affected panels. Will Optimum do the same????
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This is very true. I was a finance manager for 7 years and sold these paint protection programs. I actually saw 2 get repainted with no charge to the dealer or customer since they had the contract. You know what protection was used. Meg's #21. You were not buying the product but the actual contract.
 
Personality aside; why would anyone purchase a car product, intended to protect the finish, when all the typical factors/hazards that affect a vehicles finish are specifically excluded from any type of warranty/guarantee-especially at the level of price that this product is?

But more importantly why can Simoniz market two sealant products, also requiring professional application, that come with either a five or seven year warranty against everything that Dr. Dave excludes?

Any pro who takes this product on will have to make some sort of claim to justify the cost - just what will it be? and, what sort of wording do the insurance policies of this trade contain?? By this I mean, should a new product cause damage to the paint who pays?????

Isn't there enough business risk already?
 
ronkh said:
Optimum says "abrasive".

One of the testers on another board said he had to wet sand it, that nothing else worked.
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I personally want nothing to do with this product if that is the case. I've honestly never understood the reasoning behind people wanting the longest lasting wax/sealant out there, which is always based off how long it beads water. Yeah maybe it does have some UV protection in it which is great, but what does it really protect the paint from? :huh:

Bird bombs, hard water spots, bug guts, and over spray. Make me a sealant that protects against those elements and I'll buy it! Other than that all these durable sealants do is hinder the polishability of the paint when it needs correction!

....and the people/customers who will want such a sealant are those lazy ass ones who run through the auto (swirl) wash once a month because they are to lazy to hand wash it themselves.



Just my $.02 :D

Rasky


EDIT: If this new sealant can be removed easily with some kind of solvent when it comes time for paint correction, then I'm definitely interested. I just don't want to apply a coating to a car that will make correction difficult when needed.
 
I'm not understanding this part: If the coating adds 2-4 mils, and it's clear, (no color), why wouldn't it fill in any (shallow) swirls in the clear coat (no color)?
I'm guessing there's a simple answer, but my simple mind can't come up with it.
 
Heatgain said:
I'm not understanding this part: If the coating adds 2-4 mils, and it's clear, (no color), why wouldn't it fill in any (shallow) swirls in the clear coat (no color)?
I'm guessing there's a simple answer, but my simple mind can't come up with it.
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Hhhmmmmmmmm.... you're smarter than you let on.
 
I heard these "coatings" cause problems for Paintless Dent Repair technicians. So you better hope you never get hail damage or a door ding.
 
Heatgain said:
I'm not understanding this part: If the coating adds 2-4 mils, and it's clear, (no color), why wouldn't it fill in any (shallow) swirls in the clear coat (no color)?
I'm guessing there's a simple answer, but my simple mind can't come up with it.
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It will 'fill' the swirls but being clear will also tend to magnify (as in 'bring attention too) the ridges and any other surface 'defects'.
 
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