New polymer paint sealant

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ronkh said:
Not only the polish, but the application procedure must be perfect, or your're gonna be wetsanding.
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I've actually seen this product in beta testing at a friends shop. It is incredible and very durable. However it's not so durable that you have to wetsand it to remove it. If my memory serves me correctly, but don't quote me on this, he said that it did not apply evenly to the paint and that he had reapply it. He said that it is very durable and that it took him a while to polish it off.

Opti Coat is a very impressive product. Aside from the protection it offers, it brings out the color and details of the paint, adds depth and clarity and gives paint that "wet" look. I visited with him for some time while he used this product and from I could tell, you certainly have to know what you're doing to use this product. This is really is a product that was intended for professionals. I for one won't apply this to any of my vehicles unless the application is done by a professional.
 
Hmmm ... a possible 2-4 microns in thickness plus the possibility of unevenness ...? I wonder how this is applied, applicator, spray? What about dust particles attaching during curing, etc. IMO, sounds like a job for a pro.
 
Luster said:
I'm wondering how it responds to washing, drying, wiping with detail spray and a microfiber, etc.

Will it marr/scratch like clearcoat? How will it look after 50 washings/dryings? How tight will the beading be after a year?
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Water just slides off of it. It was pretty cool to see in action!! :D Very, very little drying is involved once it is applied (if done correctly). I've seen the Optimum detailer spray applied to it and man does the paint shine.

It should be noted that only a select few will be able to purchase this product. You must be a professional and you must also be able to provide proof i.e. license, etc. This product will not be sold to the general public by the company. Probably ridding them of any responsibility if it should be used incorrectly.
 
I will echo that if the claims where made by many of the other companies I would be very skeptical, but Dr. DG has always put out very nice products that work very well. I have a lot of respect for his products and for him as a person as well.
 
PolishedandWaxed said:
How do you become considered professional in order to purchase it? if that is the case?
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To be considered for the Opti-Coat you'll need to provide proof of business liability insurance and also proof of business license in the form of a DBA or city issues license.
 
do you think that is in the best interest of Optimum to sell it that way? there are tons of things sold at home depot that should only be used by a professional but theyre selling them to everyone.

I think its great for the individual to offer it as a professional service, and it limits the competition, but optimum would make more by selling it to everyone with the simple precuations on the label, or a how-to mini disc that goes with it.

your thoughts?
 
Chubby Davis said:
175 a clip ..just for one car..... wonder how long it takes to do a car?
Will the 'PROS' go for it? DirectorDirectorDirector
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From what I've read on other forums it seems that there are many professional detailers that are interested in purchasing this product.

To Polished, I feel that Optimum made a wise decision in allowing only professionals to purchase Opti-Coat. This, in my opinion, lessens any liability on their part if they should happen to sell it to someone who does not use this product correctly. It also helps them to protect their reputation. I can't imagine how many products have recieved bad criticism because of user error.
I've actually seen this product be applied and personally, being the weekend hack that I am, I know for certain that I don't want to even attempt to try and use it. This is a high quality product, but like so many things it can be difficult to deal with. It's my understanding that different types of paint and clear coats affect the ease with which Opti-Coat is applied.
In the event of the car on which I saw it applied, my friend applied it to an Astin Martin, using a blue shop paper towel. I thought I was seeing things and loosing my mind but when I saw him use it, the product went on evenly and smoothly. I should also add that this is definitely one of those products where less is more.

Again, Opti-Coat is awesome but it definitely was not designed to be used by novices. It should only be sold to and applied by professionals only.
 
in no way am I trying to argue, so this is just a question im throwing out there, and Im trying to look at this as if I were optimum.

Name a product that has failed because people did not use it properly, and it hurt the companies reputation?

I think m105 kind of fits (minus hurting there name) this becuase the body shop hacks(which is there big income, not the weekend warriors) couldnt figure it out so they changed it. But thats just the thing, Megs sold it to everyone the first time around, then they changed it and still sold it to everyone, regarless of user error. Both versions can harm your paint in the wrong hands.

I just dont see how its good business. The more people who buy it the more you make.
 
3year durability.... against what? It's not covering bird booms, water spots[hard].....pickle juice [j/k]......

Gotta call the good Doctor up and beg for one!:confused:
 
I'll be looking forward to testing this out on my own vehicle by my own standards. Most of the testing was simply based on beading and not much else? New paint will bead with nothing on it so that doesn't convince me of protection. Slickness is a better measurer.

Sounds too good to be true.

I talked with someone who said it may be like $50 bucks for an ounce? that crazy, even if it's that good, I'll save my money cause you can only put this on a perfectly polished car and unless a pro is fully correcting every car they touch, they may find the coating dry up and harden in the container.

.....still looking forward to testing it though.

Josh
 
Lets see, the stuff adds x microns to the finish but it ain't guaranteed against anything that the finish is going to be exposed to, sounds like a heck of a product to me.

Do they perhaps show the stuff being applied to the same pristine supercar that the no rinse stuff is demo'd on?

This guy has to be laughing himself silly.

Bet he came up with shamwows & hercules hooks,
 
Tom said:
This guy has to be laughing himself silly.

Bet he came up with shamwows & hercules hooks,
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I dont know about that but at first glance, at least for someone like myself sounds like something that lasts for years kinda takes the FUN outta detailing.

PLUS if its that GOOD - why would pros want to apply something to customers cars that might keep them from needing frequent service??? D'oH!
 
A good friend of mine and popular detailer has had it on his Maxima for months now. Loves it. Compares it to that "just painted" look. It actually add a few microns to the clear according to his paint gauge. I'm looking forward to it. Just trying to see how I would market it.
 
Tom said:
Lets see, the stuff adds x microns to the finish but it ain't guaranteed against anything that the finish is going to be exposed to, sounds like a heck of a product to me.

Do they perhaps show the stuff being applied to the same pristine supercar that the no rinse stuff is demo'd on?

This guy has to be laughing himself silly.

Bet he came up with shamwows & hercules hooks,
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I see why you skeptical, but in my opinion, Dr. Ghoduossi makes VERY good products. I have met him twice and each time he was not only a perfect gentlemen but also gave great insight into the products he has.

Every Optimum product I have ever tried works, and works well.

As far as the coating, of course I am skeptical. But I am skeptical of everything by nature. However, I have friends in Europe who swear by some coating systems which they have seen amazing durability. I trust what they tell me. So the jury may be out, but given my experiences with Dr. G and his products, I am more then willing to give him any benefit of the doubt.
 
Also the idea of a coating that provides substantial thickness to the paint, increases scratch resistance and is completely polishable offers some pretty unique benefits, IMO.

Imagine if every car had the same paint job, how much easier our jobs would be. What I mean is that out side of environmental factors, each car, from each manufacturer had paint that was the same hardness and responded identically to the same polishing procedures. The guess work is virtually eliminated.

If this coating has been applied, then instead of polishing the paint, we would in fact be polishing the coating. While it will likely be impossible that the coating would apply identical to every paint job, it should be pretty similar.

And this solely depends on how polishable the coating itself is and how it responses to abrasive polishing. Think of a clear bra for example. Some clear bras get very hazy no matter how you try to polish them where as some clear bra's can easily be polished and finished out using automotive abrasives. Could automotive polishes leave a light hazing on the coating since they are not designed to work with that surface and be too aggressive?

And even if this is the case, couldn't/wouldn't Dr. G create a polish designed to finish the coating out to a mirror like shine?

What would render the coating useless to me is if it isn't able to be machine polished/refinished. Since most car's I upkeep need to be re-polished, lightly, even 6 months to a 1 year, it wouldn't offer much benefit.

I understand why a detailer would be hesitant to apply such a product, but it will still get swirl marks, still need to be cleaned, and adding a wax on top isn't a bad idea either. I want to provide the best service to my customer, and I would rather charge 150-300 dollars or whatever to add protection to their paint vs. apply a coat of over priced carnauba wax.
 
[What would render the coating useless to me is if it isn't able to be machine polished/refinished. Since most car's I upkeep need to be re-polished, lightly, even 6 months to a 1 year, it wouldn't offer much benefit.]

With this coating applied you would still need to polish the surface [We don't guarantee against hard water spots or etching from eggs, bird bombs, etc.]

One of my reservations with this product is its application; how do you apply a coating with this thickness (2-4 microns) and how would you ensure its applied evenly.

Many, including myself in the polymer industry have a lot of respect for the work done by Optimum Research & Development and its founder Dr. David Ghodoussi so I will resist my initial scepticism and reserve judgement.

What an interesting journey detailing has made in the last fifty years, we do things and use products that back then would have got the reaction " Are you crazy, that's just not possible" exceedingly interesting times > >
 
My admiration for Dr. Dave is increasing in an exponential manner-anyone who can market a no rinse product after demonstrating it in the manner they do AND then come up with a product virtually devoid of warranty and market this, is ok in my book.

I'm gonna do some research, Dave HAS got to be the genius behind wax with color in it, ALL of the products that Billy Mays promotes, and as mentioned shamwows and hercules hooks.

PT ain't got nothing on this guy, rock on David.

Now, if anyone is really interested in a sealant with a genuine warranty look up the stuff that Simonize markets.....
 
th0001 said:
I see why you skeptical, but in my opinion, Dr. Ghoduossi makes VERY good products. I have met him twice and each time he was not only a perfect gentlemen but also gave great insight into the products he has.

Every Optimum product I have ever tried works, and works well.

As far as the coating, of course I am skeptical. But I am skeptical of everything by nature. However, I have friends in Europe who swear by some coating systems which they have seen amazing durability. I trust what they tell me. So the jury may be out, but given my experiences with Dr. G and his products, I am more then willing to give him any benefit of the doubt.
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Okay, maybe I'm too dense to get it, but I still don't see the benefit.

So, it adds "x" amount of microns to the paint, what is the point if it doesn't protect against bird crap and other basic elements?

Anyone???

Is it swirls? Is it scratches? How am I suppose to believe that, if it can't protect against "ordinary" natural elements?
 
User Name said:
Okay, maybe I'm too dense to get it, but I still don't see the benefit.

So, it adds "x" amount of microns to the paint, what is the point if it doesn't protect against bird crap and other basic elements?

Anyone???

Is it swirls? Is it scratches? How am I suppose to believe that, if it can't protect against "ordinary" natural elements?
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I think the benefit is in the fact that all those damages will be in this coating first and not in the actual paint itself. Just guessing I could be wrong....

However if you let a bird bomb sit just a few hours too long it will eat right through the clear coat so I wouldn't expect any kind of coating or sealant to protect against certain types of damages like that.

Josh
 
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