Natty's Blue or UPP...

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Diesel917

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I have a dark blue IS 250 and am looking for the best wax for my baby... Are both non-abrasive waxes? I don't think there is much flake to my paint so Im thinking that "wetness" should probably be the effect Im going for... any suggestions?



Also how easy are either to apply? Thanks.
 
Both products are non-abrasive. Have you considered using UPP topped with Natty’s Blue? Aside from added protection, it may give you the best of both worlds (sealant + carnauba). ‘Best’ is a nominal term around Autopia. My advice to you is try a product and decide for yourself. After all, it’s your car . . . it doesn’t matter what we think. Good luck :grinno:
 
Few things...



1.will you be applying by hand or by pc

2.also which do you prefer liquid or paste wax

3.there are no One miracle wax



so if you doing by hand you can do either paste or liquid same as by using a pc but some if not most will use liquid when using a pc.....either way is great...expriemnet



in no time you will get the bug to purchase and try other brands



since you know there are no one miracle wax.... either brand you choosed are excellent but i have no exp in UPP only nattys ....just to add a suggestion you may want to add a selant first then top it with nattys...



sealant has better durability but natty has the wettness so by add both is a double punch...



remember prep a vehichle prior to wax will yeild the best results....

Five Step Paint Step System



good luck and dont forget share your pick of before and after..... :D
 
Since Im a complete rookie, I definately will be doing things by hand... So UPP is more of a sealant? Dont sealants have abrasives??? :think:



I really dont have a preference cuz I never really took much care of my last car... well... I tried but only added more swirls and defects bc I was using dirty towels and lots of pressure applying/removing the wax.



As you can tell... Im afraid to screw up my new paint :idea
 
They're both pure LSPs. No abrasives or cleaners.

UPP will make Natty's Blue seem difficult to use.

On that color, I'd go with Natty's Blue. However, like Knockwurst said, you can use UPP topped with Natty's Blue.

Durability-wise, Natty's Blue is better. I have not found UPP to have the best durability, maybe 8 weeks, but layering will help.
 
So then would it be best to use a foam applicator or microfiber??? Would Meg's Supreme Shine mf towels be a good choice to remove it???
 
Diesel917 said:
So then would it be best to use a foam applicator or microfiber??? Would Meg's Supreme Shine mf towels be a good choice to remove it???
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Foam hand pad and yes, the Meguiars SS towels work great to remove product.



I'd personally go with Natty's Blue on darker colors. UPP is hard to beat on silvers and pearls though. Besides, if you are looking for 'wet', NB is hard to beat.
 
Well, how often is it smart to reapply either??? I always read UPP lasted for months... seemed like a good winter option.
 
Again, re-application is totally done at your discretion . . . I’d imagine UPP to last 3-4 months. Remember it also depends on where you live, environmental conditions, etc., etc. I think most enthusiasts would agree that new products hit their finish about every 4 weeks (with the objective being a consistently slick, glossy, and protected finish). UPP is very easy to use so after a month or two (and if you have a little time to spare), why not add another coat?
 
Scottwax said:
Foam hand pad and yes, the Meguiars SS towels work great to remove product.



I'd personally go with Natty's Blue on darker colors. UPP is hard to beat on silvers and pearls though. Besides, if you are looking for 'wet', NB is hard to beat.
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I haven't tried UPP on dark colors (unlike Natty's Blue), but on my champagne gold Silvia, UPP looks deeper and richer than N.B.; in fact, I'd say it looks similar to CK CMW or S100 (on my paint, anyway).
 
Ya, UPP is really tough to beat on silver - I couldn't believe it when I finally started using it on my wifes car. I still do like NB better on dark colors though (especially the blues and blacks). There are waxes that offer better depth than NB, but it can't be beat for dripping wetness.
 
I would add a second coat of either product 24 hrs later. Remember you need to have a good clean finish to start with. You may need to use a good polish before either. I recommend Menzerna Final Polish or Intensive Polish depending the condition of the paint.
 
On that color, I would do the following:



Clay

Optimum Polish

Clearkote Red Moose Machine Glaze

Clearkote Yellow Creme Wax

Natty's Blue

Maintain with Clearkote Quikshine



No, I don't work for Clearkote, but I have a dark metallic blue GTO and this combination gave me the best of all worlds.



UPP will last longer than Natty's Blue, but if you're willing to apply a fresh coat of wax every month, then the durability variable is negated. Both UPP and Natty's Blue are super easy to work with. If your car was lighter colored (silver, gold, etc.) I would say UPP hands down. But for you, I would recommend a glaze/carnauba combination. That's just my opinion... do what feels right to you.



If/when you decide you want to stick with a sealant, I'd recommend either Zaino Z2Pro or Wolfgang sealant for that color. Meguiar's NXT is good on blues as well.



Remember that the routine maintenance is of utmost importance after you have the finish you desire. Do not use harsh soaps, use the two bucket washing method, only use quality microfiber and waffle weave towels, et al. If you get careless in your washing, you will be back at square one and be looking at removing swirls.
 
I'd go for Blacksunshine if you need a full blown detail. If you have polished recently I would just go for the RMG, NB, QS you should get a super finish!
 
The car has a whopping 450 miles on it... I dont think I need to go all hardcore on it just yet... Thats why I was looking for a LSP that wasn't abrasive considering that the paint is already smooth and Im afraid of using something abrasive that'll end up doing more harm to my paint than good simply because I don't really have much experience whatsoever...
 
Diesel917 said:
The car has a whopping 450 miles on it... I dont think I need to go all hardcore on it just yet... Thats why I was looking for a LSP that wasn't abrasive considering that the paint is already smooth and Im afraid of using something abrasive that'll end up doing more harm to my paint than good simply because I don't really have much experience whatsoever...
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Most new cars need claying. They're subjected to everything from rail dust to salt water and everything in between. Generally speaking, it's a good idea to clay a car, even if new. However, if you take a piece of saran wrap, cover the palm of your hand in it, and run it over the (freshly washed or QD'd) paint and see if it's smooth as glass. If there are any bumps anywhere, those areas will need clayed.



If there are no swirls in the paint (even though the car only has 450 miles on it, it is usually the case that the dealer prep is less than desirable.... there's a chance you did get lucky and they did no induce any swirling), you can skip abrasive polishing. Most LSP's are non-abrasive. The only thing you need to watch out for in an LSP is that it has no cleaning abilities (ala Meguiar's NXT).



In this case, I would recommend something like Klasse All-in-One, then either glaze/carnauba OR sealant (which can always be topped with a carnauba, as long as it's a PURE carnauba wax with no cleaners).
 
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