My Zaino review

Oh nice nice nice.



But what is so different about using Z1 and then Z2/Z5 and not the mixture alone?



Has anybody had good luck with AIO+Zaino without the hardening agent or Z1? :)
 
BW said:
My only concern with the AIO and Z combo is that, as you apply the Z, the polymers in AIO haven't fully cured yet.
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But you can apply SG right over AIO and that isn't a concern....or is it because they are two like products?



Anyway, since my brother's van is only washed once or twice a month, it ought to really put the AIO/Z2 combo to the test.
 
Nice review Scott :up . I was wondering when you would get around to trying Zaino. I have not tried it due to the time involved and the perceived complexity of mixing, time, etc. Nevertheless, glad to hear that you did not have any problems.
 
I was about to post an answer, but not being a chemist, I don't know...



Personally, I trust that Sal has refined his instructions to the best of his ability, that they bring his products to their MAXIMUM POTENTIAL. By deviating from his instructions, we're knowingly limiting the product from working as directed. The only benefit to this is saving time. The question is how much of a difference it would make, both appearance and usability wise, to determine whether it's worth it or not. You decide.



Regarding the cocktail of Z combos in the interest of making Z work better, I doubt it'll work. But I guess some of us are an experimental, foolish bunch, so blah, oh well...
 
BW said:
I was about to post an answer, but not being a chemist, I don't know...



Personally, I trust that Sal has refined his instructions to the best of his ability, that they bring his products to their MAXIMUM POTENTIAL. By deviating from his instructions, we're knowingly limiting the product from working as directed. The only benefit to this is saving time. The question is how much of a difference it would make, both appearance and usability wise, to determine whether it's worth it or not. You decide.



Regarding the cocktail of Z combos in the interest of making Z work better, I doubt it'll work. But I guess some of us are an experimental, foolish bunch, so blah, oh well...
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You seem to imply that Zaino and the instructions have reached a pinnacle. There are very few man-made things on this earth that can't be improved upon. Most anything that man designs is affected by time limitations, cost limitations, design/modeling limitations, random errors, quality control, unintented side effects, etc. The fact that Sal has refined his application instructions to the best of his ability does not mean that they have been refined to the point of perfection.



While I can understand that if a person wants to make the safe play, or isn't compelled to get worse results in a quest for better ones, then following any manufacturers instructions is a great idea. And it's always a good idea for anyone unfamiliar with a product or process. But if you want to talk about foolish bunches of people, I'd say the foolish bunch is the bunch who thinks there is anything that could never be made to work better.
 
The original pics have now been replaced with updated daytime pics. Still very cloudy and dismal outside though but these pics are better.



My brother will take more pics tomorrow if the weather is better and send them to me. I should also have the pics I took tomorrow as well.



BW-What I was trying to do with the simple AIO/Z2 combo is see if I can get excellent visual results and good durability without needing more time than other 2 step combos. If I need to refine the process and it takes additional time, I then will have a better idea how to charge my customers. There was absolutely no smearing/streaking issues and Z2 buffed off with very little effort. So far, so good.
 
Scott,



I've been thinking the past year that perhaps Z1/ZFX isn't required altogether unless a person would like to layer, thereby needing ZFX.



I'm pretty sure that ZFX would not be required if you were only planning on putting on a single coat. I'm pretty sure a couple have tried it and found very good durability. I've always applied 2 - 3 coats so I've never had the chance to actually do a 1/2 car test with and without.



Paco
 
Aurora40 said:
You seem to imply that Zaino and the instructions have reached a pinnacle. There are very few man-made things on this earth that can't be improved upon. Most anything that man designs is affected by time limitations, cost limitations, design/modeling limitations, random errors, quality control, unintented side effects, etc. The fact that Sal has refined his application instructions to the best of his ability does not mean that they have been refined to the point of perfection.



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But if you want to talk about foolish bunches of people, I'd say the foolish bunch is the bunch who thinks there is anything that could never be made to work better.
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No, I do not imply that Zaino and the instructions have reached a pinnacle. Far from it, Sal continues to improve on his products. What I'm saying is that by logic, the creator should know his own product better than anyone out there. What this means is, while his instructions are never going to be in its most perfect form, they're still the closest. Blindly experimenting for the sake of increasing the chemical effectiveness of a product just isn't going to work. That doesn't mean we shouldn't -- if you find it easier and you can't discern the difference, go for it!



By the way, thanks for the nice philosophy lesson. I hope you don't misunderstand -- I'm a huge believer of human progress.
 
paco said:
Scott,



I've been thinking the past year that perhaps Z1/ZFX isn't required altogether unless a person would like to layer, thereby needing ZFX.



I'm pretty sure that ZFX would not be required if you were only planning on putting on a single coat. I'm pretty sure a couple have tried it and found very good durability. I've always applied 2 - 3 coats so I've never had the chance to actually do a 1/2 car test with and without.



Paco
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With ZFX, I agree... that's what I posted earlier. But with Z1, I disagree. Z1 doesn't do anything for layering... it's there to make the bonding stronger.
 
Aurora40 said:
You seem to imply that Zaino and the instructions have reached a pinnacle. There are very few man-made things on this earth that can't be improved upon. Most anything that man designs is affected by time limitations, cost limitations, design/modeling limitations, random errors, quality control, unintented side effects, etc. The fact that Sal has refined his application instructions to the best of his ability does not mean that they have been refined to the point of perfection.



While I can understand that if a person wants to make the safe play, or isn't compelled to get worse results in a quest for better ones, then following any manufacturers instructions is a great idea. And it's always a good idea for anyone unfamiliar with a product or process. But if you want to talk about foolish bunches of people, I'd say the foolish bunch is the bunch who thinks there is anything that could never be made to work better.
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Thanks Bob!!

I just choose to ignore because I would not have been as eloquent as you. :bow
 
DetailingFOOL said:
Hey Scott !!!



Did you happen to notice the plastic food wrap type of appearance that a lot of Zaino users talk about or notice.



BMG
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No but I used it on silver paint. Most of the comments are when Zaino is used on darker paint. I would say the appearance is like adding another layer of clearcoat that still looks wet. I think maybe 'wet glass' describes the look better than 'plasticky'.
 
Scottwax said:
That 'van' has the power of teh VTEC! It is almost like driving a tall Accord!
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Yeah, that 'van' will run high 8's to 60 and do the 1/4 in the low 16's. It's the fastest mini-van on the planet and just got faster in '05!:eek:
 
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