My Vintage Experience...

bigfoot said:
Weather sucks, Capt! At least you have a garage where to keep the beauty...
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Yup, but I took it out to get nice and dirty! It rained and rained here the passed couple days. Gave me a great opportunity to get the Vintage nice and dirty. I was anxious to see how easy/hard this stuff would be to clean.



Just got done washing it a couple hours ago, and I am very, very pleased with the results. The car came completely clean without touching it. I went ahead and used the BHB anyway, just to make sure the paint was completely clean, cause I planned on putting on the second coat of Vintage. Which I did. :) If my car was still wearing Zaino with this level of dirt, it would have meant using a mitt to get it clean. Not so with the Vintage. A quick shot with the pressure sprayer, a layer of foam, a quick soak, and another quick shot of the pressure sprayer and my car was CLEAN! Not only was it clean, but it ended up looking like this!



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It seems like it just keeps getting glossier.



More pics tomorrow after the second coat gets it's final wipedown.



Thanks for looking!
 
Ok look here yung feller............



Couple of things we should go over.........being that you're a freshman at this process (don't mind me...one of those days..)



First off, you will have to get used to this process. You have made a BIG jump from Zaino to Zymol, and as you may know already, there are significant differences in both the process and the results. It may seem tedius and even laborous in using Vintage, but remember a couple of things:



1. It would've been beneficial for you to have started with some of Zymol's entry level waxes, so as to get used to the idiosyncrasies associated with the Zymol process. Since you decided to skip the lower grades, you will have to do some quick learning.

2. Patience will be a virtue, so take your time in putting on and taking off the wax. If you're worried about your hands getting dirty, then you may want to try to pick up a supply of soft latex gloves to apply the wax ( I do). Do not use rubber gloves (ever), or you will be cursing me out until the next century. They marr like a mutha!

3. Resist the temptation of mixing vintage with other lsps (and dare I say even other zymol models). The joys of vintage is nurturing the finish to maturity and seeing a flawless rendering of deep and clear reflections.

4. Do not do too much too soon. Take your time and space out your sessions. It will pay off big by your third, fourth, or even fifth session.

5. This is a process that must be manipulated by hand. Please do not use an applicator in applying the wax, and you already had your chance with using a buffer, so don't even think of using it until its time to re-clean and polish.

6. Isn't that block of ice heavy??? You could get yourself a small container (like an empty can of P21S.....so that the wife thinks you spent 34.99 instead of $1852.00......probably too late for that but ......) and put yourself a good portion of Vintage in it so as you can work out of it easier as opposed to dipping into that big block of crystal.

7. Although the sheen of Vintage is extremely potent, pay close attention to how it will resolve some hidden hues in your paint color. If you have older pics of your paint with other lsps, observe them with your present finish, or otherwise hunt down some other yellow SuperBees, and observe the difference in hues as compared with yours.

8. Vintage is a durable wax, but do your best to keep it out of the elements. You don't want to have an excessive amount of washings that could introduce opportunites for swirls. It is a very washable wax that should leave your surface supple, but every little bit of pampering helps!

9. Sit back, observe, and enjoy!
 
lbls1 said:
Ok look here yung feller............

First off, you will have to get used to this process. You have made a BIG jump from Zaino to Zymol, and as you may know already, there are significant differences in both the process and the results. It may seem tedius and even laborous in using Vintage, but remember a couple of things:

2. Patience will be a virtue, so take your time in putting on and taking off the wax.

4. Do not do too much too soon. Take your time and space out your sessions. It will pay off big by your third, fourth, or even fifth session.
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lbls1, I agree with you 100%. All are excellent points, but I think #'s 2 and 4 are the hardest. Everyone is looking for the quickest magic potion. If that is what you're looking for, do not use Vintage. People get great shine and depth with one layer of their favorite lsp. Vintage gives you that with one layer . . . but it just keeps getting better with each additional layer and over time. I apply 1 layer, wait 1 week. Apply layer 2, wait 1-2 weeks. Apply layer 3, wait 2 weeks. And so on. Some may call you (and me) a lunatic, but look at the pictures you just posted. Deep and wet even on a light colored car.



Quick question (maybe for a different thread): Why is everyone slamming Zymol? I'm really curious about this. I am a noob to Autopia but I've been using Zymol for almost 14 years now. I admit, I do not use ALL of their products as there are some betters ones on the market. But when it comes to their handcrated waxes and estate glazes, everyone seems to be hating. What's up? Am I missing something here?
 
lbls1 said:
Ok look here yung feller............



Couple of things we should go over.........being that you're a freshman at this process (don't mind me...one of those days..)



First off, you will have to get used to this process. You have made a BIG jump from Zaino to Zymol, and as you may know already, there are significant differences in both the process and the results. It may seem tedius and even laborous in using Vintage, but remember a couple of things:



1. It would've been beneficial for you to have started with some of Zymol's entry level waxes, so as to get used to the idiosyncrasies associated with the Zymol process. Since you decided to skip the lower grades, you will have to do some quick learning.

2. Patience will be a virtue, so take your time in putting on and taking off the wax. If you're worried about your hands getting dirty, then you may want to try to pick up a supply of soft latex gloves to apply the wax ( I do). Do not use rubber gloves (ever), or you will be cursing me out until the next century. They marr like a mutha!

3. Resist the temptation of mixing vintage with other lsps (and dare I say even other zymol models). The joys of vintage is nurturing the finish to maturity and seeing a flawless rendering of deep and clear reflections.

4. Do not do too much too soon. Take your time and space out your sessions. It will pay off big by your third, fourth, or even fifth session.

5. This is a process that must be manipulated by hand. Please do not use an applicator in applying the wax, and you already had your chance with using a buffer, so don't even think of using it until its time to re-clean and polish.

6. Isn't that block of ice heavy??? You could get yourself a small container (like an empty can of P21S.....so that the wife thinks you spent 34.99 instead of $1852.00......probably too late for that but ......) and put yourself a good portion of Vintage in it so as you can work out of it easier as opposed to dipping into that big block of crystal.

7. Although the sheen of Vintage is extremely potent, pay close attention to how it will resolve some hidden hues in your paint color. If you have older pics of your paint with other lsps, observe them with your present finish, or otherwise hunt down some other yellow SuperBees, and observe the difference in hues as compared with yours.

8. Vintage is a durable wax, but do your best to keep it out of the elements. You don't want to have an excessive amount of washings that could introduce opportunites for swirls. It is a very washable wax that should leave your surface supple, but every little bit of pampering helps!

9. Sit back, observe, and enjoy!
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In response to...

1. Agreed, but it would have added up to even moooore money, and since I knew I was going to get the Vintage anyway, I thought I'd just learn with it.



2. I've been blocking out the entire day when I'm gonna work on the car, and it seems to take even more than that. And gloves???? uh uh. takes away from the experience!



3. The thought never crossed my mind. I've never been one to top any LSP with another, or mix them together.



4. I gotta work on this one... I just couldn't help it today.. it had to be done!



5. I love applying it by hand.



6. Now you tell me!!! :)



7. I had a chance to park my car next to a Top Banana Daytona charger the other day. The SuperBee and the Banana Daytona are both Doge Detonator Yellow in color. My car was darker... richer... deeper... all the things you would think a Vintage coat would be... and faster. : P



8. I must admit, I'm usually one to keep the Charger garaged in the weather, and take out the wife's suv instead, but I was anxious to see if the Vintage would clean easier than the Zaino. My ultimate goal is to get a touchless (or as close to touchless) washing process. I think I've reached it!



9. I've spent more time at the top of my garage stairs staring at my car recently than I feel comfortable admitting.



Thanks for all your help! :hifive: I must admit, I'm having a blast with this stuff.



Edit: I called Zymol yesterday with a couple questions.. one of which was if they offered any sort of a trade up program from Vintage to Royale. The answer was yes: full purchase price of the Vintage applied to the Royale. Not that I'd ever consider doing sucha thing.... I'd miss my wife too much.
 
Vintage said:
lbls1, I agree with you 100%. All are excellent points, but I think #'s 2 and 4 are the hardest. Everyone is looking for the quickest magic potion. If that is what you're looking for, do not use Vintage. People gets great shine and depth with one layer of their favorite lsp. Vintage gives you that with one layer . . . but it just keeps getting better with each additional layer and over time. I apply 1 layer, wait 1 week. Apply layer 2, wait 1-2 weeks. Apply layer 3, wait 2 weeks. And so on. Some may call you (and me) a lunatic, but look at the pictures you just posted. Deep and wet even on a light colored car.



Quick question (maybe for a different thread): Why is everyone slamming Zymol? I'm really curious about this. I am a noob to Autopia, noob to a PC, never even used a rotary (yet), but I've been using Zymol for almost 14 years now. I admit, I do not use ALL of their products as there are some betters ones on the market. But when it comes to their handcrated waxes and estate glazes, everyone seems to be hating. What's up? Am I missing something here?
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Vintage and Superbee:



You're right on that observation. The quest for the best shine you can reach can sometimes make you anxious. It is almost like a vice, where you cannot be satisfied until you've spread on another one. This is one of the reasons where it makes good practice to take a lot of good digital photos of the finish in its early stages, and compare them to your previous finish, as well as your car's factory siblings with the same paint. Doing this exercise helps you to realize how effective your efforts (not even talking about the zymol at this point) are, and it can help you in putting some moderation into your detailing. I was a former criminal of the cake on wax syndrome (I still consider myself a "recovering" waxaholic). You and I will be rewarded soon when the finishes mature and collect, but the raw energy of the color response should be observered very carefully with the new application of the wax.



As for the Zymol bashing. IMO the climate here at the board has actually improved. Its my view that part of the hatred comes from people not trying the product personally, and also part of the bad vibes may come from a combination of heresay from the wide world of the internet, and some isolated cases of frustration with the process of applying the Zymol. You can't change people's opinion about any product, so the best thing to do is to share your experiences, and let the comments fall where they may. We have had a host of Zymol users share their experiences and their results, and that has in part generated some genuine interest in Zymol's excellent line of waxes. The pricing of the wax remains an issue (and to this day it is the hardest thing to get over with Zymol). I was once a critic of zymol, as I used to think that it wasn't possible for a wax to outperform a typical wax, and justify paying such a high price for it. In taking my own advice, once I tried the product, and observed the results to some of my past finishes, I was able to see a marked improvement in using the Zymols. Is it worth the price? To me it is. It is worth the price because this product produced the result that I expected in such a magnitude that other products I've used before it were unable to match. Is it really worth the price? Only an individual that is curious about this product can answer that question for themselves!
 
I've had experience with both Zymol and Swissol - good products, take a bit of getting used to especially the applying by hand. Just take your time and enjoy it! Like other people have said though, there are lots of other alternatives on the market that perform superbly - all comes down to personal choice in the end.
 
Well I did it. I finally read the whole thread. I actually did it at work. I have not internet here so I had to open all 8 pages before just to make sure I got everything.

I thought I would share a few of my thoughts.



1. I hate all of you, especially you lbls1. You guys make Vintage sound amazing (which I’m sure it is. I really want to get my hands on some. Like I have said in the past, it would make a great birthday present to myself. �



2. Superbee the car looks awesome. I love the yellow. The pictures show the optical clarity and depth I have seen only from Zymol.



3. There has been a lot of great info here on the application of all the zymol glazes. As some of you know I use and love concours (well it only gets used on one or two very special cars). I have since moved to titanium for daily drivers. All area applied the same way a vintage. (man I just love saying Vintage)



4. With the hd-cleanse. There was a point I went on a paint cleansing kick. I wanted to see what was truly the best (in my option of course). Don’t bother using hd-cleanse. It’s hard to work with, there are a few products you could use that would give the same look but for cheaper. The two best alternatives I have tried so far are Victoria wax- lite cleanse, and pinnacle cleansing lotion. The better of the two would be the lite cleanse. It is much easier to work with (its actually really user friendly) and does an awesome, awesome job. It leaves the paint looking awesome.



5. I still hate you



6. Can I have some? Ok sorry I had to…



7. the picture of the open vintage jar is just mean. I have not been able to take my mind of it. I have actually spent probably a good 10 minutes just looking at it… man I need a life. But its just so cool. I have to look..



Well I have to say. This is a great thread, thanks for all the info and the info to come.

Superbee the car looks amazing. From the sounds of it you are happy with the purchase of vintage which is what counts. Congrats on getting it.



Lbls and vintage, you guys should call zymol and ask for a fee for all this help. You guys are your own vintage help center.



I still hate all you vintage owners…but I’m not jelous……



ok maybe a little.
 
calgarydetail said:
... The two best alternatives [to HD Cleanse] I have tried so far are Victoria wax- lite cleanse, and pinnacle cleansing lotion. The better of the two would be the lite cleanse. It is much easier to work with (its actually really user friendly) and does an awesome, awesome job. It leaves the paint looking awesome..
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Heh heh, I enjoyed this post :D



I always found the Pinnacle PCL to be extremely user-friendly. Interesting that the Lite Cleanse impresses you as being even more so! Any further info on why you like it better would be appreciated.
 
Calgary, thanks for the compliments and the info... I'm looking forward to trying a different pre-Vintage cleanser next spring, when it's time for the bee's next polishing. I'm going to try one of the two you suggested. Right now I'm leaning toward Pinnacle's.



It's really too bad Zymol discontinued their sampler kit; it just seems unreasonable that they expect you to drop that kind of coin without at least *trying* it first.
 
I like vw for a couple reasons. One its cheaper then some of the other offerings. And although i love to play with higher end stuff money is money.

I also like how easy it is to use. You put a small amount an applicator and rub then wipe off. (like most paint cleansers) however with some like hd-celanse if you apply to much you are screwed. If you apply to little wll it dosent do the job. With vw its easier to get the right amount and is very forgiving. You wont be needing to ice your arm if you apply to much. Its easy on and off.



I also like how it has some carnuba in it. the lite-cleanse has a small amout of carnuba to help protect, as well as it helps the wax bond to the paint.

Like cleanse has a similar look as hd-cleanse, maybe a little deaper. But like I said its easier to work with.



I also like David Wylle SR (owner of VW) he is a very nice upstanding gentleman. His customer care and serivce is top notch.



And the most important reason. Its a canadian company, I am very patriotic and would rather use a canadian supplier and retailer. Support our economy.



Hope this helps





edit: I just checked. VW is about 2 bucks more then the PCL (from canadian suppliers) but is still cheaper then zymol
 
calgarydetail- Thanks for explaining, that covers it nicely.



FWIW, I use Pinnacle's PCL by machine most of the time. Yeah, cleaning paint manually can be a job of work no matter *how* easy something is to use.
 
Accumulator said:
calgarydetail- Thanks for explaining, that covers it nicely.



FWIW, I use Pinnacle's PCL by machine most of the time. Yeah, cleaning paint manually can be a job of work no matter *how* easy something is to use.
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thats good to know. I have always thought of trying it with pc. The only reason I havent is becasue I enjoy doing it by hand, I knwo that sounds weird and some ppl are going to think i have gone mad but i enjoy working the cleasner into the paint. I get closer to the car and get to spend more time with it...wow i really do need help... but yeah i guees if im in a rush a pc would be great.. thanks for the tip
 
SuperBee364 said:
Ok, you have me convinced... I'll go with the VW. Would you happen to know if they ship to the U.S.?
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they sure do. Im sure david would be more then happy to ship it to you wherever you are... just tell him calgary detail sent you.. ok it dosent matter he will take are of you anyway but I always wanted to say that :nana:
 
calgarydetail said:
thats good to know. I have always thought of trying it with pc. The only reason I havent is becasue I enjoy doing it by hand, I knwo that sounds weird and some ppl are going to think i have gone mad but i enjoy working the cleasner into the paint. I get closer to the car and get to spend more time with it...wow i really do need help... but yeah i guees if im in a rush a pc would be great.. thanks for the tip
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That's one of the things I like about using Vintage... the hand application. I've never understood why people even *discuss* using an applicator with Estate glazes.
 
You guys are killin' me. This was a mint thread. SuperBee's ride is awesome. Yeah Calgary I should get some kind of discount with talking about the zymols (sometimes defending them) and also having the hardest time trying to convince one of my board member friends to try it (...now who could that be????)



I am kind of playing like (who??) when it comes to vw. I am already broke....so another good wax would ruin me!!!!!!



Calgary: Vintage is cool when you are pronouncing it...like this....Vintaaaaaaaghhhe...(as I was corrected over the phone when I allowed zymol to take my money!)!
 
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