Mothers Reflections Cologne.

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clint

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No real point here- just the threads about mothers reflections synthetic wax got toasted, and I wanted to start another one-

My first impression is that I am worried my car may smell like an over-zealous office suck-up after I wax it... It smells like there is about 30 percent cologne or after shave in the bottle!



They'll smell me coming before I round the bend...:D
 
correct me if im wrong, but most ppl ive talked to about mothers reflections say its more of a polish than a wax. I don't know the results of anyone using it, but id sure like to get the details of it since i was unsure of the stuff and got mothers sealer and glaze instead of the mothers reflections.
 
I think it's both a polish and wax-

the terms for car care stuff are a little whacked I think..



It does have some polishing stuff in it, according to forrest, the mothers guy(on one of the lost posts), but it is mostly a synthetic wax- meant to be the outer most layer on the paint..



The mothers sealer/glaze is not supposed to have any polish in it, so it can be applied over wax as well as under it.. It's supposedly just scratch filling goo, meant to have a coat of wax on top of it- not for use as a final layer.



My plan was to use the reflections on the bottom, the sealer glaze in the middle, then carnauba on top- as a way to get more protection during winter than just glaze and carnauba would give..



Will that work?



On another lost thread, it was oberved that mothers sealer glaze removed klasse- I wonder if the sealer glaze removes reflections..



Guess I could get off my butt and go try it..:doh
 
clint said:
IOn another lost thread, it was oberved that mothers sealer glaze removed klasse- I wonder if the sealer glaze removes reflections..



Guess I could get off my butt and go try it..:doh
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How do you know if you have removed a previously applied wax or sealant?



Charles
 
CharlesW said:
How do you know if you have removed a previously applied wax or sealant?



Charles
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That's a good question. The only way I could tell was because my car had very minor swirls that 3 coats of Klasse filled in. Under strong lighting I could see the swirls re-appear. This is the thread here where I reported this first.



For a non-layerable product like Reflections I don't know how'd you go about it unless one coat of Reflections does any noticable filling in. :nixweiss Forrest performed this experiment on Klasse too, so maybe you could ask him about what his methodology was.



As a guess, I'd say in general, that "glazes don't like sealants" because glazes were designed with waxes in mind, not sealants, which are formulated differently and (can) dissolve in different chemicals. For example, alcohol seems to take off all types of sealants regardless of whose it is, while Dawn won't remove them, but will remove wax. I hope I'm making sense. :p
 
Reflections smells to me like the haircuts my Grandad used to take me to get back in the '60's, when I spent my summers on their ranch.. Witch hazel, I think it is.



You can apply carnauba over Relfections, but personally don't see the point of it - the durability is there, and it's easier to apply and remove than a carnauba based product. Reflections does have a very light polish (cleaner) in it, so it cannot be (technically) layered.



Glad the boards are back up.
 
Can Reflections be applied over mothers Sealer/Glaze?



or will he poilsh in the reflections just eat the glaze off?



I know you arent supposed to put klasse or such over glazes, but reflections?
 
Clint - Reflections can not be applied over Sealer and Glaze. Well, okay, it can be, but the light polish in it will remove Sealer and Glaze.



So, I guess the answer is yes, you can, but no, you shouldn't.
 
I've been using Reflections for a little while now on my wifes metallic green SHO and am very happy with it. I tried to do an endurance test, but it is so easy to apply and remove that I have applied it 4 times in the past 2 months. In my opinion it has great depth and shine that seems to improve with additional coats. To prep the paint I simply did a once over with the pc and MPPC before the first application of Reflections. As far as the smell goes... not too bad, kinda spicy. I have no complaints about the product yet. In my opinion it is a great one-step product.
 
forrest said:
Clint - Reflections can not be applied over Sealer and Glaze. Well, okay, it can be, but the light polish in it will remove Sealer and Glaze.



So, I guess the answer is yes, you can, but no, you shouldn't.
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I guess I just can't accept something as easy as one step working well--

grown accustumed to many steps..



now that you mention the smell is like a barber shop- an image of that mysterious blue liquid filled jar of combs in old barber shops comes to mind every time I smell the stuff..



On a most non-car topic-This for guys who solder electronics--

I found that a little of the mothers reflections (or probably any other similar liquid car wax) dabbed around inside of a Solder-Pult (on the o rings and the pin)keeps the solder from sticking to the insides of the sucker. Also if you get some wax inside of the teflon tip, it takes way way longer for the solder to build to the point that you have to pull it apart and push the solder hunk out. Plus with the smell, you get to visit the barber shop every time you de-solder something..

I know the above may sound stupid to someone who doesent know what I'm talking about, but I've been trying differnt things for years to prevent solder buildup in the solder puller, and so far, reflections works great for that..
 
Ok now I have at last done an entire car with mother's reflections and I gotta say I like it..



I was tired after washing and IHG -ing the a8 so i used the plain old white pad that comes with the pc. I used it on speed 1 and it took very little reflections to coat the whole car. I pc-applied to the whole car at once.



It does not seem to matter how long the reflections sits on the paint, it buffs off just great with a simple terry towel. It buffs off so easily, I sort of thought something must be wrong...



It never seemed to get rock hard, like carnauba wax does- maybe that's why it buffs back off so well. Compared to my control spot of carnauba, the reflections leaves teeny marks from the towel, where the carnauba can easily be buffed to the point of no teeny marks with the same towel.

I figured I'd just go back over it with MF in a day or so.



If this stuff lasts longer than two months, it's gotta be way up there on the ease of use vs results vs price vs availability scale..



Just as an experiment, I slapped some mothers sealer glaze followed by normal paste carnauba on a spot on top of the reflections . The only way I can tell the difference is by misting water on the area- the carnauba makes bigger drops that slide off without a trace, while the reflections area has drops that slide off with little tails, leaving smaller droplets behind.. The sealer glaze did it's normal thing of filling swirls..



Good stuff to have around.. the smell is fine too.
 
About the water drop comparison where carnauba was applied, versus Reflections only:



Reflections (a resin based product) is softer than carnauba (that also accounts for why it's easier to remove). In a week or so, you'll be able to feel the difference in the 2 spots. The carnauba 'd area will feel slicker since carnauba is harder than the resin.



That also explains why there are tails off the Reflections'd area that was watered, and not the carnauba's area. Slicker areas (carnauba) have less surface adhesion, so water slides off easier than the resin areas (Reflections).



I love the product. I use it on my daily drivers, and don't really care how long it lasts because it's just so easy to remove. I have detailers, particularly in So Fla, that use it, and claim they can do a car with a wheel and less than 1 ounce of product.



Maybe I should raise the price so more folks will think it's better.......
 
It seems that all you need for people to think it's 'better' is to put some german or scandinavian word on the lable..

Reflexionen des Mutter



Umlauts seem to help too.. maybe a translucent or transparent bottle.. so you can see if it needs to be shaken..



Offer it in paste form in a crystal jar housed in a wooden box for four figures- wait, that's been done!:p



Seriously- It goes on so much better with the pc and the 'stock' white foam pad, on speed one, than it does by hand- you should put 'machine' directions on the lable.



Part of the reason I bought mothers sealer/glaze is because it had both machine and hand directions on the bottle.



If the label said something like "Hand/Machine Advanced Protection Resin Formla Glazing Wax" Instead of 'Premium Polish'

That would be cool- have people wondering just what the heck a 'glazing wax' is- and they'd pick up the bottle..-exploit the lack of stern definitions for 'glaze' and 'wax'.



Premium Polish on the lable makes me think it's some kind of really fine compound like product..



"for enhanced beading and hardness, try topping with carnauba wax--yada yada..."







Also important to me is that is says words to the effect- optimized for modern paints, including water-borne, european, and high solids types. And mention UV protection.. Gotta have UV protection thrown in there..



I'd been avoiding synthetic wax products because of something I read about them clouding on german paints.. carcareonline.com...





Like you said, it's so easy, may as well use it often..



I do wonder what a version without cleaners would do. I'd sure buy some to play with..

Since it's 'soft' I wonder if layering it would even be a good idea..

maybe if it filled swirls...



I did notice that the teeny towel marks left in it level out after a while by themselves-

I guess it 'flows' or something..



Good stuff!
 
I keep begging the chemists for a presoftened paste, and he tells me there's no demand.



I also offered a big bribe if he's make me some without any cleaners (Reflections Natural?) but he said the resins wouldn't break down without the light polish that's in it.



We're still on a learning cuirve with synthetics. One of these days.......
 
I also offered a big bribe if he's make me some without any cleaners (Reflections Natural?) but he said the resins wouldn't break down without the light polish that's in it.



Aha! And excuse to make a 'Machine Version'.!.
 
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