megs vs blackfire

instalher

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Hey Gang, just wanted to share my detailing experience I recently had with my recent purchase of blackfire wet diamond, midnight sun wax, and there gloss enhancing polish. To start with my car is a 2014 bmw mineral grey f30, I have maintained the paint meticulously, with meg, clay twice a yr, meg, cut polish as needed, meg, pro polish, meg ultimate wax, and always washed with meg ultimate car wash, its detailed three to four times a week with megs ultimate clean, I have 20 to 30 meg 2020 microfiber towels.. Engine is cleaned by hand and always detailed with chemical guys engine detailer.... Car looks immaculate every day.. rain or shine...
So iam at a new detailing shop in Edmonton and they tell me about how I can achieve a "wetter" cleaner look, He tells me about the blackfire line and I dump a 150 bucks and pick up the three said products. I get home and start by washing my car, clay the car, then drying it with my micro towels .. then I drive it in the shop and let it air dry for an hr.. Now the blackfire touch... The metal should be clean now from the clay bar, so I got out my meg dual action power polisher put on the white polish pad and start applying the polish, machine set to 4, went over each area 4 to 5 times, let It sit for about a min, then wiped it off. I will admit the longer it sits the tougher it is to remove.. So now that the car is polished, time to add the wet dimond. I remove the white polish pad and add a black wax pad, slow the machine down to 3 and start adding the product.. I go over the area twice then wipe off with the microfiber towels. This product I put on quick and remove quick no hazing period.. Now that that`s compete I started on with the wax, This time I did it by hand with the applicater in the package from Blackfire. Applied the wax in a specific area then removed asap with fresh micro towels. Total clean time 5 hrs.
So after all that work and money how does it look compared to the meg job that my car normally has.. Well my car sits at about a 8 to 9 out of ten.. yes its THAT clean.. after the Blackfire 9.1. Yes it is better but soooooo miniscule my camera couldn`t see a difference.... So my take is this , if you maintain your car properly and with a quality product, you will due just fine.. Its nice to wear a A.lange and Sohne watch, at $47000, but a Rado does the same thing at $3000,

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You really should let the BFWD set up for a good half hour before wipe off. Sealants aren`t like wax, they need time to setup and bond to the paint. But as you already figured out, the LSP is really only the last 5% of the looks of the car.

That all being said, I`ve noticed with BFWD that once applied, as it cures, it will get slicker and more "wet" looking. Weather or not you`ll notice this due to the immediate wipe off (probably removed most of the product in the process) is anyone`s guess.

Wheres the pictures?
 
Wipe polish off immediately after you finish the section

Absolutely zero benefit to letting it sit on the paint*



There are some AIO`s that supposedly benefit from waiting before buffing off
 
You really should let the BFWD set up for a good half hour before wipe off. Sealants aren`t like wax, they need time to setup and bond to the paint. But as you already figured out, the LSP is really only the last 5% of the looks of the cpolish thenar.

That all being said, I`ve noticed with BFWD that once applied, as it cures, it will get slicker and more "wet" looking. Weather or not you`ll notice this due to the immediate wipe off (probably removed most of the product in the process) is anyone`s guess.


Wheres the pictures?

so what are the steps to redue the wet diamond?
 
ill post tomorrow.. dark out now.. can I keep it clean with any quick detailer, also how often to apply the wax???
 
Car looks good.

How long did you wait after applying the Blackfire all finish paint protect to apply the midnight sun paste wax?

I did find that the Blackfire sealant/wax combo does look better than the Meguiars M21/M26 sealant/wax combo on my Taurus.

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When applying sealants you can use the "swipe test" to see when it`s time to wipe them off. Just do a light fast swipe with your finger. If it smears, wait longer. If it wipes off clean it`s ready to come off. I typically will apply sealant to the entire car before I start wiping back off starting with the first panel I applied to. Depending on the weather (heat/humidity) this can take 15 minutes or 45 minutes. Don`t worry about letting it go too long, BFWD wipes right off even if you miss a spot and see it the next day.

i haven`t tried the wet ice over fire look myself, I really do need to get some midnight sun and a new bottle of BFWD and see it for myself someday
 
Yes, Shane is right, and while reading your post--I knew--you did not see any benefit because you didn`t let the sealant haze. If your using Midnight Sun, wipe-off before it hazes. Do not let Midnight Sun haze, but BlackIce does need to haze.
If it`s BlackIce your using, it has to go on very thin.
Also, Black Fire`s sealant is one of the easiest to wipe-off in the industry. It`s ridiculously easy. This is why it`s one of my favorite sealants.
Furthermore, Black Fire won`t stain trim. Some of Meg`s products do. I don`t want to be the guy who knows which ones do, and which ones don`t.
 
Besides the fact that it sounds like he didn`t let the BF set up, it also sounds like it didn`t have a chance to cure before wax over it.
 
I never do, I`m too impatient, I wonder if it makes a noticeable difference?

IMHO it "probably" does....... Sealant has to cure (cross link) to do it`s job correctly. Adding something with solvents and friction before it has the chance to completely set up I would guess that it would break it down somewhat.

That said, I read that most of the BF sealant 90-95% cures in a very short time, and the rest takes 12-24 hours.
 
Excellent post...and a beautiful car. It is, however, wrong to detail a car that nice and only post one pic...some outdoor shots would be nice
 
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I have no idea how I got that pic up.. sorry I am clueless with computers. and my kids are grown up and gone.. soooooo bear with me.... here are some pics of car, ps that`s my wifes car not the one in question,, hold on I will figure this out...
 

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