Meg's 205 and Tangerine?

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Anyway, was studying the car care section in Wal-Mart (like I do very often), and I found a 3M rubberized coating spray. They say it can be used under wheel wells. I would have bought it, just for fun, but I didn't feel like spending 5 or 6 bucks, and the warning label about causing birth defects kinda scared me off. Does anybody know about rubberized undercoating for wheel wells? I've seen some proffessional detailers offer this, and there is also a similiar product from Wurth's in the CMA catalog. Rubberized undercoating? Good or bad??
 
This is a common coating that, most often, is painted over. You can see it used on the rockers on the bottom of most every car. The rubberized layer absorbes shock from flying debris and helps stop paint chipping. It also deadens sound. It is not something that works well in wheel wells since it catches a lot of moisture and stops the fast removal of or "flash" of water within the wheel wells. The plastic liners of modern cars are much better. It's a bit of a different story in older cars that have steel fender liners which are rust prone. But even there you have to be careful that moisture is not trapped between the metal and the rubber layer making the rust worse.
 
Needed to do an annual detail on my 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee, it has the Black paint with the metal flake in it. Jeep calls it black but it is actually a Charcoal Gray color.

Anyway from what I can analyze about the clear coat it seems to be the very hard German type, it does not scratch easy and as I found out does not buff that easy either.

I was using my Flex machine set between 4-5 with Meg's 205 and a lake Country Tangerine Hydro pad.

Surprisingly I had to work it pretty hard and with decent pressure to get it to remove the light scratches and moderate water etching from the winter.

The vehicle is only 10 months old and the paint is in new condition, I chose the 205 and Tangerine because I only needed a quick buff out before waxing.

Any opinions on what I should move to next? I am thinking M105 with the tangerine.

I figure either the clearcoat is harder than I anticipated or the M205 is not the correct polish for the job?

Any advice would be very helpful :-c
 
Lazzman,

I have a 2009 Grand Cherokee in Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl, and I have used the Cyan pad and Menzerna SIP ( PO83) and Rotary Power and had great success, because the paint is pretty hard. I then came back and used the Tangerine Pad and Menzerna Super Finish PO106FA, and it was beautifully clear. There is so much metallic in my paint, it almost overwhelms the Black color. That's what I get for making it so clear. :)

I dont know if you really need Meguiars 105, but if you are using it with a less aggressive pad, it might just work for you and the Flex.
There is alot of paint on these Jeeps, so you are ok there, just be careful; that M105 cuts fast - well, on a Rotary it does..

DanF
 
Thanks for the info Stok it sounds like your right on the money :biggrin:

I am going to switch over to Menz P106FF and a white pad, I used that on a 2007 Mercedes E350 and had great success.

Thanks for the tips...
 
Lazzman said:
I was using my Flex machine set between 4-5 with Meg's 205 and a lake Country Tangerine Hydro pad.

Surprisingly I had to work it pretty hard and with decent pressure to get it to remove the light scratches and moderate water etching from the winter.

I figure either the clearcoat is harder than I anticipated or the M205 is not the correct polish for the job?
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Lazzman said:
I am going to switch over to Menz P106FF and a white pad, I used that on a 2007 Mercedes E350 and had great success.
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You're trying to remove "light scratches and moderate water etching" with finishing polishes on a hard clearcoat. If you want to keep it to one polishing step I'd think Menz Power Finish and Tangerine would be the ticket. Decent cut for a medium polish and finishes well. Megs MF DA cutting pad and D300 cuts well and finishes decent on hard paints as well. If you get ambitious I'd think 205 or 106FF with a finishing pad for a 2nd step would be icing on the cake.

TL
 
Lazzman -

I read your post and it sounds like you are going to an even less aggressive cut finishing polish in Menz 106FF which has a cut of 2.5 out of 5, and a medium cutting white pad - hope this works for you.
Perhaps you have taken out enough defects with the Meguiars 205 and the Tangerine Pad, so that the 106FF will work - here's hoping it works for your needs.
When I purchased my '09 Grand Cherokee, it was so full of defects, from the "Detailer" ??? at the Dealer, I needed to get serious with it to get it to the level it is now, where I just hit it with a Tangerine Pad or finer and Menz 106FA and its good to go!

Love these Jeeps; yours has the all new Mercedes- sourced underpinnings and a way nicer design in my eyes. What do you have for power ? I have the Hemi so I can only get a steady 22mpg on the Freeway between here and California. But I DO have unlimited lifetime warranty on the powertrain - the last year they did this warranty was 2009..

One of these days I'm going to have time to actually wash it and take a Pic of it and post it up! :)

Good luck with your project, Lazzman !
Dan F
 
yes I used the Meg 205 and Tangerine on the hood, which had the most water etching and light scratches.

My mistake I meant Menz 106FA like you used the Nano.

My plan is to do the sides and rest of the vehicle with a tangerine pad and Menz Nano.

Stok when you used the Tangering pad did you prime it with 106FA via the Kevin Brown method when using M105?

I agree with the paint defects I see a lot in mine, lots of tiny paint blotches here and there. I got the V6 Jeep, was about $4k shy of getting the hemi version. Even at 290hp it sometimes has its challenges moving this 5200lb beast. Though the truck rides and handles awesome- it is truly great workmanship.

Thanks for the tip TL I am going to have to take a look and see what polishes I have on hand...
 
Lazzman -

I use Rotary Power only for all my correction work, and only after, if I need to, will I break out my Flex 3401VRG to apply finer product.

I think in your case, the Kevin Brown method will work - just know that the Lake Country Hydro-Shred Pads are high-maintenance, and dont like a lot of pressure and heat very long, before they display their unhappiness by starting to shred.

But then again, if you have already done the hard correction, then you wont need as much pressure, so your pads should be much happier.

I had a conversation with the Lake Country guy via email and he said these Hydro's are meant to be used dry, so use that info as you want..

Good luck, l I am sure your Jeep will be Stunning before long !

You mentioned Menz 106FF which is the first design of that polish for Mercedes ceramic clear paint. it is a great product. I have a quart of that and the newer version 106FA that Menz produced because people complained they didnt have enough work time with the 106FF. Either way, you are ok.

Dan F
 
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