Layering zaino Z2 pro

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Put 3 layers of EFX with Z2 pro yesterday. Already reached the 24 hours period. Can I just put one layer of Z2 without mixing with EFX? Does it make it less shiner than current looks? Don't really want to bother the mixing bottle right now.
 
Yes. After applying even just one layer of Z2 Pro with ZFX you can add another layer with no zfx and no it does not appear to harm the final shine.
 
What Zane said.



You can add multiple layers of Z2 Pro ONE at a time with no zfx, if the first layer included zfx. I think this holds true for about eight layers or 6 months, but check out the Zaino site faq's to confirm.



BTW. Some Z2 Pro I applied with no zfx on paint freshly prep'ed with FPII is still going strong after three weeks. No apparant difference when compared to a panel on the same hood, that I used Z2 Pro mixed with zfx per Zaino's instructions. I'm not recommending using Z2 Pro like this to anyone, but it is interesting. Z2 Pro/no zfx is holding up better than UPP and straight AIO on the panels next to it. Time will tell!
 
RedondoV6 said:
What Zane said.



You can add multiple layers of Z2 Pro ONE at a time with no zfx, if the first layer included zfx. I think this holds true for about eight layers or 6 months, but check out the Zaino site faq's to confirm.



BTW. Some Z2 Pro I applied with no zfx on paint freshly prep'ed with FPII is still going strong after three weeks. No apparant difference when compared to a panel on the same hood, that I used Z2 Pro mixed with zfx per Zaino's instructions. I'm not recommending using Z2 Pro like this to anyone, but it is interesting. Z2 Pro/no zfx is holding up better than UPP and straight AIO on the panels next to it. Time will tell!
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According to Zaino web site, 1 EFX or Z1 is good for 10 coats Z polish every 6 months for everyday car.



Please keep us update your process of the Z2 pro without EFX testing.



Just finished 4 coats of Z2 pro. Can't really tell the difference because it is dark outside.
 
You can add 1 coat daily with no zfx indefinately according to my understanding after reading the instructions. ZXF is used for multiple coats within 24 hours according to the Z website. Maybe I am wrong, but from my experience, even the old Z2 could be layered once a day without ZFX. ZFX is a curing accelerant, not a bonding agent needed to get the stuff to stick to itself.
 
I'm very glad to see how much things have changed (for the better) on Autopia, a few months ago this thread would have been shot down in flames (the two 'flame' words Zanio and multiple layers)



I apologize for highjacking the thread

JonM
 
Just wanted to say that I have done plenty of small touchup type areas without ZFX and have never noticed any ill effects and I am still in amazement at how fast the new Z2 Pro dries even without ZFX.
 
DetailGirl said:
but can you add several layers without the ZFX after a layer or two with ZFX?
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Yes, ZFX is only required for the initial application if one is not using Z1 or for multiple coats (up to 3) in one day.

All subsequent single coat applications can be performed with just the Z2, Z5 or Z2-PRO sealants.



There is also a point of diminishing return in terms of layering. I have found with a good prep anything more than 3 coat produces no augmentation in appearance if vehicle is not exposed to the environments or driven during this layering process.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
in terms of layering. I have found with a good prep anything more than 3 coat produces no augmentation in appearance if vehicle is not exposed to the environments or driven during this layering process.
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I want to find that out, too.



Mine is Polar Silver, light blue with silver. This color is kind of hard to tell the difference between 3 and 4 layers. Waiting to drive around town this Sunday, and then apply another 3 coats the following week for comparsion. My wife cannot tell zaino and P21s wax that I had before....go figure :rolleyes:
 
RedondoV6 said:
What Zane said.



You can add multiple layers of Z2 Pro ONE at a time with no zfx, if the first layer included zfx. I think this holds true for about eight layers or 6 months, but check out the Zaino site faq's to confirm.



BTW. Some Z2 Pro I applied with no zfx on paint freshly prep'ed with FPII is still going strong after three weeks. No apparant difference when compared to a panel on the same hood, that I used Z2 Pro mixed with zfx per Zaino's instructions. I'm not recommending using Z2 Pro like this to anyone, but it is interesting. Z2 Pro/no zfx is holding up better than UPP and straight AIO on the panels next to it. Time will tell!
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This is interesting. When I do my glass or rims, I use Z2 without ZFX and the only thing I notice is the drying time is a little longer.



I haven't done this on paint yet. I apply Z with ZFX unless it's a few layers or months after an initial Z/ZFX (as mentioned in this thread).



Oh,...and I'm using the old old Z :o....prior to the one before Z2 Pro...you know....when you had to send them a check and cross your fingers :p...this stuff just doesn't run out.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
She will be able to in 2- 3 weeks when the car will still look like you just applied the Z2-PRO.:xyxthumbs
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You got that right!



What a sealant looks like immediately after application is probably only 1/90th of what I'm looking for.



I'm as interested in what the sealant looks like after a week, month or even a few months; this is when the major differences between different sealants begin to show, not immediately following their application.
 
Z2Pro isn't the same as Z2! Z2Pro allows you to apply multiple layers (3) in a day.



ZFX is still recommended by Sal but not required as he feels it's not only an accelerator but also adds to the look and durability.



For the inital application and about every 8-10 coats, a bonding agent should be used; whether it be Z1 or ZFX with Z2/Z2Pro/Z5.



That being said, I haven't found that a bonding is absolutely required. However, since it is so easy to apply; very rarely have I stepped outside of Sal's recommendation. On the vehicle that I didn't use ZFX or Z1 on the initial application, the person didn't maintain his vehicle very well and it was parked 100% outside so it only got about 3 months of durability. Difficult to say whether the bonding agent would have improved the durability.



STILL EXCELLENT but much less than the 6-9 months I've been getting with a garage queen / maintain well.



Paco
 
paco said:
Z2Pro isn't the same as Z2! Z2Pro allows you to apply multiple layers (3) in a day.



ZFX is still recommended by Sal but not required as he feels it's not only an accelerator but also adds to the look and durability.

Paco
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Z2PRO requires ZFX if multiple coats are to be applied in 1 day.

Z2 and its evolution into Z2-PRO has not changed this requirement nor has it alter the initial coat application procedure (Z1 or ZFX usage).



I am still on the fence about the appearance enhancements and durability enhancements that may be present with ZFX usage verses not using for subsequent single layer applications.. :nixweiss
 
Quote: For the initial application and about every 8-10 coats, a bonding agent should be used; whether it is Z1 or ZFX with Z2/Z2Pro/Z5.



Q1: Just for my own edification why does a polymer require a separate â€Ëœbonding agentâ€â„¢? Iâ€â„¢ve always thought that polymer and paint molecules bond to each other and polymer molecules bond to each other (molecular bonding).



Q2: I understood that ZFX was a catalyst to â€Ëœfastâ€â„¢ cure the polymers, not a â€Ëœbondingâ€â„¢ agent?



Be patient with me I'm justadumbarchitect

JonM
 
From the Zaino website.



ZFXâ„¢ is a Zaino Show Car Polish acceleration and appearance additive. It offers near-instant cure time, reduced surface distortion, enhanced polish flexibility, and improved bonding to both paint and additional layers of Show Car Polish. In simple terms, ZFXâ„¢ vastly improves paint surface appearance and increases polish durability.





ZFX has both functions: acceleration of crosslinking and acts as a bonding agent (bonding is used in this discussion to reflect a "glue-like" adhersion (Van Der Waal forces)).





Hope this hopes. :wavey
 
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