Layering Zaino CS

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Like I said, I very much like some of their products, but I think that this one, is not the best. 9 months of protection? Not likely. And me and about a dozen other users still cannot see a difference when it is applied. I think that Sal has been doing such a good job over the years that he could put anything in a bottle and sell it and people would rave about it on here. I am not in anyway saying that is what he is doing here, but just using an analogy.
 
>>I am not in anyway saying that is what he is doing here, but just using an analogy.



I can read what you are writing. You are writing, that "Sal can put anything in a bottle and sell it to people that would rave about here." Taking it to the bottom line: Sal is a shyster, and we are his shills. I got it. :-) This thread was obviously predictable.
 
Sergei said:
>>I am not in anyway saying that is what he is doing here, but just using an analogy.



I can read what you are writing. You are writing, that "Sal can put anything in a bottle and sell it to people that would rave about here." Taking it to the bottom line: Sal is a shyster, and we are his shills. I got it. :-) This thread was obviously predictable.
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You are way off base. Never did I say that. I USE his products.
 
CS is a unique product.



The instructions on the Zaino site need to be read and followed if you want the best results (not implying that you didn't do this).



There are certain situations, such as damp days, when I would reach for another LSP vs. CS.



I've seen results first hand on multiple vehicles that suggest 9-mos durability will be achieved, as stated. That said, I'm sure some will see less, and others even more. Durability measures are nothing more than guidelines because there are just too many variables (weather conditions, do you store your vehicle in a garage or outside 24 x 7, live in a desert, near an industrial plant, etc...) I'm at the 6 month mark on many of the vehicles that I tested and CS is holding up well.



Again, if other products work better for you, then there's no reason to fight things and 'force' a switch to another product just because it's the flavor of the month.



I read a post on Autopia the other day discussing Meg's DACP. Some folks swear by it and get phenomenal results, others (like me), just can't get it to work, and find that other products work better. That doesn't make either side wrong.
 
What I was saying is that many people are BRAND LOYAL. Whether it be Sal's products, or Clearkote, or JW, or anything else. THey dont care if the results dont match up. They will swear by them.
 
Well I tried to show it photographically. I swear I see a difference. Attached is a picture of my G35 taken in October (left frame) after a Z2P application x 3, with a top layer of Z6. The frame on the right was taken last weekend with Z2p and ZCS layered over it. No Z6 or Z8 on top. The picture on the left the car was two months old. The picture on the right is 5 months later.

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I can see a difference in more detail on the hood after the ZCS treatment. The gloss is there on both frames. But I can notice depth and more detail.



Same camera, same time of day, same quality of resolution.
 
joshtpa said:
What I was saying is that many people are BRAND LOYAL. Whether it be Sal's products, or Clearkote, or JW, or anything else. THey dont care if the results dont match up. They will swear by them.
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If zaino did not work, I for one would not use it.



With zaino I know that my cars are very well protected and look great.
 
Psssft.... time to crack open a brew.



We have to remember that CS is an addition to the Zaino line up not a replacement for Z2 or Z5. Like all other Zaino products, it's geared towards the enthusiast. It's a safe, easy to use, versatile product, that doesn't cause any damage to your vehicle (or the end user).



You can top a cured LSP of your choice with CS, use it as a stand alone topper, or within the Zaino line up, and apply it to most surfaces of your vehicle.



I'm glad that we're not stuck in the 60's, and thankful that Zaino and others continue making detailing easier, and more enjoyable. I'm all for advancing product technology and love the fact that there's competition.
 
joshtpa said:
Like I said, I very much like some of their products, but I think that this one, is not the best. 9 months of protection? Not likely. And me and about a dozen other users still cannot see a difference when it is applied. I think that Sal has been doing such a good job over the years that he could put anything in a bottle and sell it and people would rave about it on here. I am not in anyway saying that is what he is doing here, but just using an analogy.
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I'm told by a few that the "9 months" comes from CS being topped with something. CS alone gets around 3 to 5 months. I have not personally used it, just stating what others have stated. 3 months is a fair time for any product to last especially if it's easy to re-apply.



Anthony
 
So it goes 9 months being topped? is that with the topper being refreshed over those nine months?



what kind of durability are you seeing with the Opt sealant?
 
thesacrifice said:
So it goes 9 months being topped? is that with the topper being refreshed over those nine months?



what kind of durability are you seeing with the Opt sealant?
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Not sure about the CS and the 9 months being with or without a topper, just what I have been told and read.



The Opti-Seal gets anywhere from 5 months to a year in our testing. It all depends, as with all products, how the car is cared for, stored and driven. On a garage queen many waxes will last you 5 months and a sealant will last you a year or more. On a daily driven and abused work vehicle a wax may only last 4 weeks and a sealant 4 monts or less.



We already have CS out and Ultima is soon to be released as is Opti-Seal so it will be a showdown as to which one has the longer durability, ease of application and which one gets better looks, gloss, slickness without the use of silicones. It should be interesting.



Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
Not sure about the CS and the 9 months being with or without a topper, just what I have been told and read.



The Opti-Seal gets anywhere from 5 months to a year in our testing. It all depends, as with all products, how the car is cared for, stored and driven. On a garage queen many waxes will last you 5 months and a sealant will last you a year or more. On a daily driven and abused work vehicle a wax may only last 4 weeks and a sealant 4 monts or less.



We already have CS out and Ultima is soon to be released as is Opti-Seal so it will be a showdown as to which one has the longer durability, ease of application and which one gets better looks, gloss, slickness without the use of silicones. It should be interesting.



Anthony
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Anthony, Is there a release date?
 
While I have not layed CS yet, I have noticed a difference. I did top megs #16 with CS to see if you can top a wax with it and see if there was a noticeable difference, so I did half of a trunk lid with CS on top of #16. There was an added glow and it also looked like it had a hard clear candy coat shell. The best part was when it rained out the next day, the whole car beaded well and the part where the CS was the water was all off. I pulled it in my garage and came back out in the garage in an hour and noticed the whole car was wet and all the water was beaded up on the car. The spot where the CS was is all dry....



Came out the next day and the water was still on my car except for the half of CS trunk lid. Wierd...I never noticed how water stuck to wax before. The #16 was beading crazy, but the water was not moving and leaving water spots behind. The part were the CS was applied was very dry with no water spots at all......CS is working and is definatly improving the wax.



Conclusion: I have heard the saying"beading is not a true way of showing durability". Now I know what they mean. Plain #16 was beading, but just was not moving and left a lot of water spot the next day. The CS side was flying off the car fast and when it was in my garage for an hour it was dry. Not a water spot at all! CS protected extremely well. The water just fell right off
 
gmblack3a said:
If zaino did not work, I for one would not use it.



With zaino I know that my cars are very well protected and look great.
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I think that's spot on. Which leads me to the question of why the heck would someone feel the need to upgrade the durability of the already durable Z2/Z5 duo? Won't 2 coats of Z2 last 6+ months anyway?



I mean where does it end? We've got tiny, 8 oz bottle of sealant for almost 20 bucks, then ZFX, then CS, and in the end, you've got 8oz of $80 sealant with all the "extras." I was looking at the Zaino site last night and his prices for other tiny 8oz bottle are astronomical. It's weird to see someone charge 3 bucks for a terry applicator too! :hairpull
 
mgm121499 said:
Anthony, Is there a release date?
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Not official yet, now David is working on container, size, etc. Most likely this month.











Nimble said:
I think that's spot on. Which leads me to the question of why the heck would someone feel the need to upgrade the durability of the already durable Z2/Z5 duo? Won't 2 coats of Z2 last 6+ months anyway?



I mean where does it end? We've got tiny, 8 oz bottle of sealant for almost 20 bucks, then ZFX, then CS, and in the end, you've got 8oz of $80 sealant with all the "extras." I was looking at the Zaino site last night and his prices for other tiny 8oz bottle are astronomical. It's weird to see someone charge 3 bucks for a terry applicator too! :hairpull
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Wouldn't it be a shock if you found out that the product/chemical in that 8oz bottle cost about $.50??:D
 
Do you think that a manufactor that produces their own products has a higher or lower cost then those who relabel products?
 
Nimble said:
I think that's spot on. Which leads me to the question of why the heck would someone feel the need to upgrade the durability of the already durable Z2/Z5 duo? Won't 2 coats of Z2 last 6+ months anyway?



I mean where does it end? We've got tiny, 8 oz bottle of sealant for almost 20 bucks, then ZFX, then CS, and in the end, you've got 8oz of $80 sealant with all the "extras." I was looking at the Zaino site last night and his prices for other tiny 8oz bottle are astronomical. It's weird to see someone charge 3 bucks for a terry applicator too! :hairpull
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Thursday will be my first day off in 2 weeks. 3x of Z5pro and CS on the wifes car 4 months ago. By the time I wash it tomorrow, it will have been 3 weeks since the last time I washed it. Its nice not having to worry.



IMO Clear Seals "claim to fame" is the apply and walk away. Sal is not going to produce a product that lacks in durability.



Not sure I follow your math. I just checked the zaino site and did not find 8oz of any product with a cost of $80.



Remember you do not have to use all the products together if you don't want to.



Clay your car, apply some ZAIO by hand for 3 months of protection. Add some CS and IMO get 5-6 months.
 
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