interesting facts about leather care by lexol

"To the guy that mentioned about staining issue, you probably missed the Zaino coverage (I'm fishing here). "



I do not think so. I used lights for each panel as I worked. Put on several coats, the chance of missing in several places is zero. The stains were in the Zaino layer, no doubt about it. Stop when I replaced the Zaino and was not there before I used it.
 
I agree about the hype. My guess is that what Carguy dislikes are the legions of Zaino users who belive in its superiority with an almost evangelical fervor. Those people are always hyping Zaino and cannot bear to see it criticized. I cannot understand why Zaino inspires such devotion, but it does.



I really love Zaino, but just don't see myself becoming a true believer. It has an excellent shine. It is the best product that I've tried. However, the difference between Zaino and #20/Blitz just isn't that great. Zaino is an outstanding product, but many others on the market will produce results that are just as good when applied by a dedicated detailer.



In sum, I would be very surprised if someone said that Zaino is a BAD product. I would disagree with that statement. In my experience, it's a fantastic, outstanding product. Now if someone were to say that Zaino is not any BETTER than other products, that would be a different story. I tend to agree with this. Zaino is the best product I've tried, but the difference between it and other high-end products is very slim. Zaino works best for me, but excellent results can also be obtained from different products.
 
it is buy far easyer to use than carnuba and not near as messy.I put a new set of halogen lights in the garage over the weekend and before I started the two coats of Z5 the lights brought out swirls could not be seen outside in the sun.The 2 coats of Z5 with ZFX did in fact cover alot of the minor swirls and the Z5 also has a different look than Z2.The two coats of ZFX with Z5 took about one and one half hours on and off and this was with Z6 after the first coat.



The garage door stayed open the hole time with rain pooring down so humidity was high the Zaino went on and came off with no haze.The ZFX is great for speeding things up with multiple coats but to me I do not do this often most of the time I enjoy the hour wait and get other stuff done during this time.



As said every body use what you like and enjoy the fact that there is so much good stuff to choose from:) :up
 
I tell you this is what I dig about this forum. It is ok to have disagreements with each other while maintaining civil dialogue. We each spell out our own reasons for our preferences without making personal attacks.



As a reader of this thread, one that has not used Zaino, both the pro and con opinions have been very interesting and informative to read. Thanks! :)
 
Well I will add my opinion into this discussion.



The question of which product is the best is one that cannot effectly be answered. Personal opinion factors in too much for a clear cut answer. The true answer is NO PRODUCT IS PERFECT! It all comes down to what the user prefers and what he/she is willing to live with.



IMHO is Zaino the"end all" product for car care: NO. Is Zaino an Impressive product: Yes. But there are many other impressive products as well.



It all comes down to, use what product YOU like. After all it's your car and your money buying the product, so use what makes you happy.



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I wasn't going to reply to this thread because I have no Zaino experience. I do, however, like the honest write up that carguy wrote (knowing it would be against the grain). In that aspect, I would like to see his write up on Klasse (something I am familiar with) to point out it's strengths and weaknesses. Since he waxes more than most, he can pic out little variences about all kinds of products and be a valuable resource of information to all of us. Keep the review coming.
 
Missed a great thread!

If anyone is familiar with the Zaino follower's "wrath", it's me. When thewaxtest.com went live, we had no less than 300 angry e-mails in less than 36 hours from Zaino folks...and 90% of them were not very cordial. That said, we quickly realized that we had misused the product - applied <em class='bbc'>way[/i] too much of it, which resulted in streaking, hazing, and longer than anticipated cure times.

After a retest of the product, we found that its durability (albiet in a very static, non abusive environment) was better than most products. For some reason, our P21S refused to die, and the Klasse held up quite well too.

As of yesterday, which would be 15 weeks after the initial application, the Zaino panel was still beading water (it's been drizzling here for a few days), whereas the other panels were not. Again, our panels are not subjected to daily wear and tear from road abrasion, so it's not really an accurate test.

My thoughts on Zaino are this: on a daily driver, where protection is critical, it's the product to use. On a show car, where the benefits of "clean" layering are welcomed, it's also a great product to use. But..

I truly believe that Zaino works best in the hands of a skilled detailer, and I know that carguy, etc are great detailers - they have demonstrated their awesome knowledge of car care not only on this forum, but on other websites as well. For the guys on the other forums that write things like, "just drove the car from Arizona to New York, ran through the auto car wash and slapped on 5 coats of zaino - looks perfect!" I question their evaluations...but...

Zaino probably requires some pre-application conditioning in order to achieve the best results. I think that a good claying, SMR/FI-II, etc, Dawn Wash & then Zaino treatment will result in a good looking finish. I've been evaluating the product "off the record" with my Tahoe, and it's pretty good stuff. It's been through snow, salt, sand, rains, dog poop, auto car washes, etc. and it's still holding up pretty good - the rocker panels, etc. are beading water (still) which I consider to be extraordinary, since I last Zaino'd the truck at Thanksgiving.

Not to worry, though, we're going to re-test it in Round 2: using our normal panels, simulated wear panels and on real-life vehicles, side by side with some other products.

Hope this shed's a little more "unbiased" info on the situation.
 
I can add this much to the conversation...



I too didn't find too many people unhappy with Zaino - I did find some *disappointed* - clearly because the marketing claims were very extreme, and they had unreasonably high expectations.



A friend of mine, who is a car-show guy and is a car fanatic (and follows the detailing mantra to the max), told me this much - the polymer sealants were all very close, and that the difference I would notice between Klasse and Zaino were slim, if not none.



His advice - try them both, see which one works for you. I've tried Klasse, works great! Don't have any of the issues some people complain of.



I tried some of his Zaino, and he was right - I really didn't see a difference between the two. I could be applying wrong, or maybe I'm not discriminating enough.



I read it here all the time, and I'm a firm believer - use what works for you. I'm waaay happy with the Klasse, and although I won't stop trying new stuff, I can't say that something better will make me disappointed in the Klasse.
 
A lot of guys are evaluating zaino on inital gloss only. They are detailing their car, looking at it, and making an evaluation. Well that is only part of it. I believe carguy's test was only really evaluating initial results. Initial shine does not impress me. There are many products out there that can produce a killer initial shine. But what will the car look like the next day, next week, next month, next 2 months, after a rain or snow storm? How slick will the car stay? How good will it bead water months to come?



A zainoed car looks and feels the same months after application. Gloss and slickness remain and get better and better with each Z7 wash. The products were designed to work together and really deliver. There are other systems that work well too and others might prefer, but I can't see how anyone that used zaino correctly over time have any real complaints.



I also have to disagree to an extent about having to be an expert detailer to get good results with Zaino. Zaino is easy to use and produces a fantastic shine and look, even on daily beaters that may not get the full initial prep that some of our prized cars would get.....



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I use Zaino products and have had very good luck with z5's swirl hiding capabilities. Do a search in the picture forum and you will see a couple posts from me with pictures demonstrating this.



One thing I wonder about is the optically pure claim. Is Zaino really 99.9% optically pure? When we are talking chemistry, optical purity refers to whether or not the chiral compound is uncontaminated by its enantiomer. Surely z2 is filled with ingredients, many of which are solvents that likely evaporate or are wiped off. Wouldn't z2 be optically clear if it really was optically pure?



Regardless of marketing, the stuff works good. Many people are turned off to Zaino because of the way it is promoted by some of its users, just like how many have trouble with Zymol's corporate marketing claims. Of course, some people will not be pleased with the product. But, it is safe to say that the majority, which primarily includes detailing junkies, like Zaino and have no problem recommending it to others.
 
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Originally posted by DUDE:
I agree about the hype. My guess is that what Carguy dislikes are the legions of Zaino users who belive in its superiority with an almost evangelical fervor. Those people are always hyping Zaino and cannot bear to see it criticized. I cannot understand why Zaino inspires such devotion, but it does.</blockquote>

I think that sums it up. While I love Zaino but it's clearly overhyped especially by some of the zealots I saw in other forums. Some just dislike this kind of hype. Carguy really brought out some strong points that Zaino users seem to have overlooked, and if you can think about it objectively in his perspective then many of the points are true. Personally, I think the test he done on Zaino is fair. While it's a great product but has its weakness like any other products out there.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by William420 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'> if you can think about it objectively in his perspective then many of the points are true. [/b]</blockquote>
If you can not think about it objectively then Dude's perspective is true too.

One thing William, I still think in same amount of coats of K versus same of Z, K has durability won.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by DETAILKING [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I think we are splitting hairs in durability..... [/b]</blockquote>
I think so too. The fact is that no one in this forum can keep their hands off their cars long enough to test the theory. ;)
 
we knew that was coming :) when's the last time you waited over 6 months without using a single Zaino product on it. No one's ever done an exact durability test. I've Klassed and Blitz then waited 7 months and redid despite the fact that it still looked great.



I've not put any QD or wax on my car since I detailed it in November and I'm willing to just wash it weekly to find out. If you're willing to do the same with Blackfire or Zaino we can all find out together.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by RH [/i]
<strong class='bbc'> The fact is that no one in this forum can keep their hands off their cars long enough to test the theory. ;) [/b]</blockquote>
Ain't that the truth LOL! :D
 
Well the Corolla has not been washed since late October/early November (can't remember been soooo long), and I washed it to put down a coat of Blitz for the winter. It had Klasse on it since the summer (July?? forgot, if Floni remembers my posts, when was the time I used my new PC (back then) and 3M FI II with Klasse???) (note to self, research the time I used PC with Klasse on Corolla.)



That all the care it was given to date. The wheels are black, the car is filthy, it is covered in salt. The owner took it to the touchless car wash a few times because it was sooooooo dirty. It is now swirl city on the car.



I should be put to shame by this, but there is no way for me to wahs it, its too cold and all the snow is killing me, just 2 1/2 more months till the spring detail.



This will see if Klasse/Blitz is durable. I will take a whole series of pics from all angles. Before, during wash, rinse water on car, after dry, after clay and 3M FI II, and finally the after shot (Zaino if my parents let me get it, wait I know I will get it.) I prefer the plastic look on this car.



Jason
 
Great info guys!!:up :up



From the pictures Ive seen from Z users it looks awesome every time. I think most products discussed on this forum will work great if used correctly.



Since durability is brought up alot I have this question for everyone..



If someone waxes once a month say 10 months out of the year with a carnuba like Blitz or #26 and gets the same results as Z, Klasse,BF or any other sealant,what is the advantage over the carnuba??
 
So there are people on the vette forum that haven't reapplied zaino in over 6 months and found that there was no need to add more? or no?



I applied 4 coats of AIO on my sisters RAV4 over in the fall. I've seen her car still going strong. I'm just curious if a Zaino user spread their magic on a neighbors car or a family members car for one application and then didn't reapply and then noted when it stopped working. We do that all the time with Klasse. My coworkers got it, my sister, 2 of my friends Jettas, my brothers car, and my cousins. We all have similar stores of people's cars we detailed at one time or another. Where are the parralel stories?



Lone Wolf, carnauba is for looks. If you like the look of it, which many people do, then that's the way to go. Add Klasse underneath it and you have the best understock for the carnauba to sit upon (assuming you don't get haze). I personally think that if you Klassed and then waxed with Blitz every month, the Klasse would last over a year. But whoa that's a whole different discussion about whether or not Blitz offers any durability in relation to the Klasse.
 
I have no idea where this "klasse lasts longer than zaino" or vice versa theory came about, but there is DEFINITELY NO DATA out there to substantiate it other than some anecdotal cues.



Remember my mom's TL..the one that was swirled bad that I applied z5 to? Well it has been 6 months + now and it still beads, but like I said in a previous post, it doesnt look quite as good after a wash. Not a z7 wash with QD..im talking about a machine at a gas station.



So, it obviously still works, well over 6 months later. Her car is used daily, has not been washed more than once a month since, no QD, and it still beads, but has a loss of slickness/gloss.



Guys, both products are marvelous (as shown by pictures) as are many others here (Meguiar's, Invisible Glass, etc.). Just drop it..this is like arguing to an atheist that god exists....



Original poster: Use Zaino..you will most likely like it. If you dont, sell the remaining to someone here (someone will buy it, dont worry) and use another product.
 
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