I think I know why people like high end Zymol waxes

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C-MDX

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Maybe I'm just bsing here but I think I know why some people like Zymol waxes SOOO much. First, it's expensive, $40 (if I remember right) for 8oz so people might think, "wow, most expensive wax I've seen(besides Souveran), IT HAS TO BE GOOD!!!". Second, you couldn't get it anywhere, like many brands of car care products (e.g PB, Clear Kote, Pinnacle) you couldn't just get it off the shelf, you have to get it at a specific store or you have to order online so some people might think, "Hmm, rare stuff, must be something good.". Third, the way of application is very different from other waxes, applying with your bare hand?? wtf?? So some people might think, "Melt the carnauba with your bare hands, sounds complicated, maybe the result is worth it." Forth, the smell, I bet some people (not all) buy Zymol wax because it smells good right?? But some people might think, "It smells good so it has to be good." Fifth, the packaging, notice how every jar of hight end Zymol wax are in a fancy container?? So some people might think, "Nice packaging, the stuff inside must be good stuff.". Let me see, that's all I can think of right now, maybe there are more points, anyways, hope I'm not bsing here :), no flames please, just my $0.02.
 
C-MDX said:
Maybe I'm just bsing here but I think I know why non-autopians and "professional detailer wannabes" like Zymol waxes SOOO much.
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C-MDX said:
anyways, hope I'm not bsing here :), no flames please, just my $0.02.
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You call Zymol users "non-autopians" and "professional detailer wannabes" then asked not to be flamed? Seriously mate, where else can the thread go when you back Zymol users into a corner like that? You should maybe think a little harder before posting.



The world is full of choices, and people choose to use Zymol. Who are you to have an uninformed opinionated stab at them? Variety, as they say, is the spice of life....
 
6cyl's_of_fury said:
You call Zymol users "non-autopians" and "professional detailer wannabes" then asked not to be flamed? Seriously mate, where else can the thread go when you back Zymol users into a corner like that? You should maybe think a little harder before posting.



The world is full of choices, and people choose to use Zymol. Who are you to have an uninformed opinionated stab at them? Variety, as they say, is the spice of life....
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Ouch! 6cyl's does have a point. Maybe He is thinking that autopians don't use Zymol... I don't know.
 
6cyl's_of_fury said:
You call Zymol users "non-autopians" and "professional detailer wannabes" then asked not to be flamed? Seriously mate, where else can the thread go when you back Zymol users into a corner like that? You should maybe think a little harder before posting.



The world is full of choices, and people choose to use Zymol. Who are you to have an uninformed opinionated stab at them? Variety, as they say, is the spice of life....
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So maybe I was bsing, I edited it, sorry.
 
The chain of thought in life with all products is that the more expensive the product is the better it is
 
"Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome.



If you pay $40 for a product you're convinced it is shinier and will last longer than a $14 one. Anyone else who can't see the difference is one of the uneducated.



Every Autopian knows it's the PROCESS and not the product, right? Nothing wrong with having favorites, I do, but the same results can be gotten with the process and other products. Even less expensive ones.



There is a $10,000 tin of Zymol out there somewhere. You have any idea what a custom show car paint job costs?



People are sometimes brain-dead.:LOLOL
 
Hmm... I can't help but think of another "Z" product when you say that stuff. The price is not quite as high as Zymol, though, and the application technique is a different kind of weird. Instead of using your hands, you wash the car several times, mix things together, and use QD between layers.



It's possible this is why Zymol appeals to some people, and it may be why Zaino appeals to some people. And it may be why a million other products appeal to some people. Conversely, being cheap, easy to find, and simple to apply may be why other products appeal to some people. Products like EO WAUD as a one-step have appeal 'cause hey it's cheap, easy to find, and man is it simple to apply. You don't even need a foam pad, just a towel or chamois or whatever rag you currently dry with. So for whatever reason they have appeal to some people who are suckers for a certain marketing angle be it expensive = better, cheap as dirt = better, difficult convoluted application = better, 1 second application = better, and so on.



But this doesn't mean the products have no Autopian value also. In the end, to Autopians, it's the results compared against cost or time or whatever metric a particular Autopian finds appealing that are what matter. We don't all care about the same things be it price, gloss, beading, ease of use, durability, availability, slickness, shine, depth, smell, staining, etc... But we pretty much all care that a product meet the levels of whatever we care about. Maybe Zymol isn't the bees knees for most of us due to the high or very high price, but it doesn't mean the product doesn't have any other value to it. If you care not a whit about price, and just want the deepest shine possible, or just want the most enjoyable time spent waxing then maybe Zymol is just the trick. I've no idea as I've never used any Zymol products, certainy none of the $100+ products. I can say that no matter how they perform, a $1100 wax will never meet my criteria as it totally blows away my price criteria. But that doesn't mean it doesn't meet other of my criteria or other peoples' criteria for what makes the perfect LSP. :wavey
 
There are subjective as well as objective reasons for liking a product. When a Zymol user tells you he likes the look of Zymol, that's pretty subjective and you can't argue with that. When my friend, a hardcore Zymol user, tells me Zymol is extremely durable and that he get 3-4 months of protection on a daily driver parked outside 24/7......well......that's when it becomes objective. And I TRASH him!!!:D
 
NickC said:
There are subjective as well as objective reasons for liking a product. When a Zymol user tells you he likes the look of Zymol, that's pretty subjective and you can't argue with that. When my friend, a hardcore Zymol user, tells me Zymol is extremely durable and that he get 3-4 months of protection on a daily driver parked outside 24/7......well......that's when it becomes objective. And I TRASH him!!!:D
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What, he uses QEW?
 
to each his own one mans pill is another mans poison. Remember: its the art of detaling that many of us simply enjoy. thanks aurora.

detailing is a process not a product
 
IMO C-MDX has hit the nail on the head, but went a little easy on the well deserved criticism of Zymöl marketing!



As has been said many times in this and other detailing forums - it’s not the product, it is the method and technique! The only way to know what product works best for your methods and techniques is to do side-by-side comparisons - - half of the hood with one product and the other half with another product - - and then see which product comes the closest to meeting your own personal needs.



I have over ten cans of high end carnaubas, and I’ve done many side-by-side comparisons on both my Jet Black and my Chili Red paints. I did not just do one comparison and then put the can on the shelf - - I have periodically gone back and given most products several other chances to show what they can do. Zymöl Carbon and Zymöl Z3 are far from the top of my list. Reportedly (but I don’t know from personal experience) Zymöl’s durability is not as good as most other high end carnaubas.
 
Zymol makes some pretty good waxes actually, it is just that you can get equal or better shine/depth at a much lower cost. Pinnacle Souveran is expensive and looks great but to most people the slight improvement you get with it over cheaper waxes isn't worth it. To those who can afford it, PS is a great wax. I would think it works the same way with Zymol. If you can afford it, like the appearance and don't mind the weird bare hand application, you will be happy.
 
Yeah, much as I :rolleyes: about much of Zymol's marketing nonsense, it seems that most manufacturers of detailing products go a bit overboard with their claims. It's sorta the nature of the business.



As long as someone doesn't try to cram their fave down my throat, or make outrageous claims about it, I'm just happy that they're detailing their vehicle with *something* and enjoying it. One more nicely cared for car, with a happy owner, is good news to me.



Maybe it's because I've been slammed for some of *my* "expensive" indulgences, but if someone wants to spend their money on something because they think it [smells nice, has a cool looking container, works well, whatever] that's cool with me.
 
Accumulator said:
Maybe it's because I've been slammed for some of *my* "expensive" indulgences, but if someone wants to spend their money on something because they think it [smells nice, has a cool looking container, works well, whatever] that's cool with me.
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I couldn't agree more :xyxthumbs
 
Its all about the name, sure they can use a cheaper, "unknown" wax but maybe when they are talkin with their buddies or whatever they like to say they use ZYMOL. Same thing with clothes. An Armani Exchange or Dolce and Gabbana t-shirt is the same thing as any other shirt, your just paying more for the name.
 
C-MDX said:
Forth, the smell, I bet some people (not all) buy Zymol wax because it smells good right?? But some people might think, "It smells good so it has to be good."
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Hey, whenever Pinnacle Souveran rears its head up and people start praising it, I'm always fighting the urge to buy it based on smell alone!



But I'm weak that way. :D
 
Sorry this turns into a Zymol evaluation/rant but I just had some new perspective on it after trying Souveran for the first time...



I always said that I would probably use Zymol if I had a garage queen but I think Souveran has edged it out.



Zymol looks very very good. It is not a bad wax at all. It does indeed also smell verrrrrrrrrrrrry good. If it weren't for it's faults I would probably use it just for the smell.



Pinnacle is what Zymol should be though. Pinnacle is an expensive wax that smells good and is probably one of the easiest waxes to apply that I have ever tried. It's so digustingly easy to throw on a coat that you don't mind waxing every time you wash and it gives a shine that's probably even deeper and darker and wetter than Zymol especially after 2 coats.



Longevity is the real question. I haven't seen much on here about Souveran's longevity (haven't been reading regularly in awhile though) but Zymol's is simply piss poor. When you combine Zymol's ridiculously short life with it's insane difficulty to apply, you get a real PITA that's just not worth it. Souveran is almost exactly the same in terms of benefits (nice smell, great deep shine on dark cars) but it's as easy to apply as a $60 can of wax SHOULD be and stains trim almost 0.



I am suspecting that Souveran might not last that long since it seems so buttery soft after application, but that's okay! With Souveran you just quickly throw on another coat...with Zymol you spend hours fighting to get another coat applied and buffed adequately. I half-assed buffing Souveran after a 7+ hour detail because i was just too tired. The car is fine...no streaking at all. With Zymol, you'd better go around the car at LEAST twice and probably a third time to be safe with clean towels each time and you still may get streaks.
 
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