I need another alternative to m205

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solekeeper

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I've been using m205 and an orange LC pad now for awhile, but I absolutely cannot deal with the oils in m205, nor do I have time to go over it again.





After my m205 and the LC pad, I took it outside and it was literally 95 percent corrected. Came back inside and about 10 minutes later it was completely marred.



I'm in a body shop, and i don't have time for that anymore.



Can someone reccomend me a good 2nd step polish to follow up with after my 105? (I'm thinking menzerna) Something that has a bit more cut and less oils than m205 would be my preference.







thanks guys!
 
I've use both System 51 and GTechniq P1. With GTechniq, you might find you don't need M105. I have used System 51 for a few years in my detailing business, I find P1 does a faster job for me, costs more though.
 
I was just reading about the GT tehniq, didn't see them mention anything about correcting wetsanding marks though.



Do you know if this system could handle it?

Pics, etc.?



I also watched a few videos, but those were just regular paint corrections. Looked good though
 
My bottle of P1 says it can remove 1000 grit sanding marks. The reason I got the GTechniq polishes is because they are water based, contain very little oils, and claims to not fill. I've only used P1 once so far though.
 
I don't use M205 with an orange pad. I use it with a white pad.



Have you looked at Menzerna Super Finish (Nano) PO 106 FA?

Cut is comparable to 205 (maybe IMHO very slightly a bit less)

I use 106 in cases where 205 and the paint don't play together.



I use

Menz SIP w/LC orange

Menz 106 w/LC white



Megs 105 w/LC orange

Megs 205 /LC white
 
I only use M205 as a finishing polish, so I don't really expect/ask it to do any correction. But yeah, the oils can really bug me too. In many ways, I greatly prefer 1Z High Gloss, and I often use it instead of M205.
 
as mentioned, gtechniq p1.

pad dependant. go from removing 1000grit with a heavy wool cutting pad all the way to finishing down quite well with a uber green.

it cuts and finishes so well idk what to do with my m105 and m205.

i should mention it finishes down well enough with the right pad that i could comfortably use it as my ONLY polish. *note im not a sungun freak* lol. i use it like how meguiars describes the use of their solo polish
 
i wish people had pics of the GT techniq in action vs wetsanding correction. i'd really like to see the correction level.



I've also heard good things about Optimum spray compound working great as well, but no evidence to prove it as of yet.
 
i rarely evertake pics sorry.

im more comfortable with it removing 1500-2000 marks, but the mfg and some well respected detailers say it removes up to 1000 grit. i personally have 2000,3000, and 4000 discs so i have never gave buffing out anything under 2000 a try.

it took out 2000 with ease though. best part is its water soluble. dont need expensive pad conditioners or heavy alcohol based cleaners to remove product.
 
What pad are using with m105? What exactly are you doing? Are you sanding, then m105 (pad?), then M205. I too only use m205 as a finishing polish. I find that the oils are only an issue when one tries to skip too many steps on the ladder.



IMO, to go from M105 wool to M205 (any pad) just leaves too much of a gap. Not saying this is the case, just my general opinion.



We did a phantom last week that was unbelievably hammered...twisted wool/rotary/M105/1700, M105/rotary/red finishing pad, M205/flex/red finishing pad, M301/flex/blue finishing pad.



My point here is that M105/205 is *very* versatile, but like all polishes the trip down the ladder must be made. Remember that M105/205 wool to finihsing pad combo is really designed for "customer pleasing" results in high volume body shops. In order to have "autopian pleasing results" a bit of tweaking is needed.



FWIW, once you know what the product can or cannot do, the oils aren't that big of a deal IMO. Now when choosing LSP they can be a PITA, but that too just takes time and tweaking....or you could just use a Meguiars LSP, but that might not be yor cup of tea. :D
 
I did try P1 and honestly, for me, (and I really wanted it to work as well as some say it does) it didn't work at compounding. Looked nice though. I can't see how it works better than 105. I'd say that it is like optimum's spray compound. Not a real compound, more like a medium polish. I guess it should work for the OP after 105. Menzerna is also a good choice, but removal is easier with P1
 
ebpcivicsi said:
.. the [M205] oils aren't that big of a deal IMO...
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Wonder if our different locations (heat/etc.) make a diff in that regard? The oils simply drive me *nuts*, if not for PrepWash (IPA just doesn't cut it for me) I don't think I could use the stuff on my own vehicles. From the way the vehicle is covered with pseudo holograms under certain lighting, to the residue that I had to struggle with for hours after using ZAIO afterwards (even though I'd PrepWashed), the oils are almost a deal-breaker for me.



When I did our favorite Yukon (BTW, I'm gonna sell that thing before it drives me nuts ;) ) with M205 I spent *hours* IPAing it to get the oils off so I could do inpsections, far more time that I was spending polishing! That's when I went ahead and switched to PrepWash.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
What pad are using with m105? What exactly are you doing? Are you sanding, then m105 (pad?), then M205. I too only use m205 as a finishing polish. I find that the oils are only an issue when one tries to skip too many steps on the ladder.



IMO, to go from M105 wool to M205 (any pad) just leaves too much of a gap. Not saying this is the case, just my general opinion.



We did a phantom last week that was unbelievably hammered...twisted wool/rotary/M105/1700, M105/rotary/red finishing pad, M205/flex/red finishing pad, M301/flex/blue finishing pad.



My point here is that M105/205 is *very* versatile, but like all polishes the trip down the ladder must be made. Remember that M105/205 wool to finihsing pad combo is really designed for "customer pleasing" results in high volume body shops. In order to have "autopian pleasing results" a bit of tweaking is needed.



FWIW, once you know what the product can or cannot do, the oils aren't that big of a deal IMO. Now when choosing LSP they can be a PITA, but that too just takes time and tweaking....or you could just use a Meguiars LSP, but that might not be yor cup of tea. :D
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with the m105, I;m using meguiars maroon wool.

Then, i switch it up for the 2nd step depending on the vehicle color.



I'll then do, m205-orange foam for (silvers, whites) etc.

The dark colors, m105wool, m105-orange, m205white.



I just feel like the 205 isn't cutting enough for me, and the oils are INSANE. i'm not even in a high volume body shop and it's still driving me nuts.
 
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