I have a friend that seriously underestimates the power of a PC...help me get my poin

Trashed Jet Black paint is one kind that the rotary handles better over the flex or PC. Otherwise, the PC/flex (the new versions of pc) "can" correct faster in my experience on so many finishes.
 
JohnKleven said:
I HATE the PC polisher..
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Shiny Lil Detlr said:
why do you "HATE" the PC?
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I'm sure no fan of the original PC either. Way too much vibration and seriously underpowered. Haven't tried the XP, but I gotta say that the Griot's 6" RO is *SO* superior to the PC that it's almost silly to consider them members of the same category. While I'll admit I simply don't like my rotaries, I used to reach for them when I needed to do serious correction on hard clear; no need for that any more, though I will say that a rotary teamed with rocks-in-a-bottle can do some very serious work in one quick pass.
 
Accumulator said:
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I'm sure no fan of the original PC either. Way too much vibration and seriously underpowered. Haven't tried the XP, but I gotta say that the Griot's 6" RO is *SO* superior to the PC that it's almost silly to consider them members of the same category. While I'll admit I simply don't like my rotaries, I used to reach for them when I needed to do serious correction on hard clear; no need for that any more, though I will say that a rotary teamed with rocks-in-a-bottle can do some very serious work in one quick pass.
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I agree completely, my Makita sits in it's bag since I got my Griot's 6". You can't compare the Griot's to a PC because that's just not fair to the PC IMO. I gave my PC away because quite honestly, using it again after using the Griot's just sucks. I guess if you have small hands or something the PC would be better, but the correction part, no comparison.
 
smoknfastlegend said:
Don't get rid of your pc's, put them to use pushing 3" pads so you don't have to constantly switch backing plates.
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No they need to just ship them to me... Ill put them to use some how!:heelclick
 
Your friend is wrong... it's really that simple... while I prefer the Flex over a PC, still the same idea but a bit faster. As I said though your friend is wrong and also a moron. It CAN and DOES remove scratches and swirls. If you want to argue the time it takes then that's perfectly fine, but to say it doesn't work is pure ignorance.
 
Guitarist302008 said:
Your friend is wrong... it's really that simple... while I prefer the Flex over a PC, still the same idea but a bit faster. As I said though your friend is wrong and also a moron. It CAN and DOES remove scratches and swirls. If you want to argue the time it takes then that's perfectly fine, but to say it doesn't work is pure ignorance.
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LOL, that's some pretty harsh words right there. Did you see the date of the original post or read any of the prior posts? This thread is almost 3 years old, and a LOT has changed in that time. Even big names like Todd Helme, David Fermani and Rydawg were on board with the fact that a PC just couldn't cut it (no pun intended) back then. With the advent of 105, Surbufs, MF pads and the KBM, facts and opinions changed, and a lot of these guys have adopted the PC as their main machine now. I think this is why David bumped this thread in the first place. Take it for what it is, an interesting read into how quickly things change in the industry and how people must change with it or get left behind.
 
mikenap said:
LOL, that's some pretty harsh words right there. Did you see the date of the original post or read any of the prior posts? This thread is almost 3 years old, and a LOT has changed in that time. Even big names like Todd Helme, David Fermani and Rydawg were on board with the fact that a PC just couldn't cut it (no pun intended) back then. With the advent of 105, Surbufs, MF pads and the KBM, facts and opinions changed, and a lot of these guys have adopted the PC as their main machine now. I think this is why David bumped this thread in the first place. Take it for what it is, an interesting read into how quickly things change in the industry and how people must change with it or get left behind.
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oh... oops, no I didn't see the date lol sorry. Yes, things have changed quite a bit over the years for sure.
 
It sure is Kevin!! This is the place for EPIC threads. Thanks for your contribution to the history of Autopia and the advancement of Detailing.
 
This was a fun read. I would like to hear, now, from those who posted their thoughts at the start of this thread and what their opinions are now and how they feel about their statements from 3 years ago.:boink::popcorn:
 
Nth Degree said:
This was a fun read. I would like to hear, now, from those who posted their thoughts at the start of this thread and what their opinions are now and how they feel about their statements from 3 years ago.:boink::popcorn:
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Heh heh, no change of opinion here, what worked then works even better now.



The newer Random Orbital-centric products just make it even easier. MF pads and products like Uno make even the original PC capable of mighty impressive correction if you go about it right.



I actually worry a little....it's *so* easy for anybody to cut off clear while leaving an OK finish that I suspect people are gonna do a lot of overthinning.
 
Accumulator said:
...I actually worry a little....it's *so* easy for anybody to cut off clear while leaving an OK finish that I suspect people are gonna do a lot of overthinning...
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Tell that to lady that cuts what's left of my hair. :think:



(Que the large inhaling sound) ...When these new fangled non-diminishing super-micro abrasive compounds and polishes are applied with microfiber polishing discs (featuring ultra thin microfiber strands) mounted to oh-so forgiving random orbitals operated by typically intelligent folk... the cut will eventually slow or "self regulate" the more refined or polished the surface becomes (all assuming that the guy polishing the paint isn't banking the pad at a 45 degree angle or applying enough force to blow a new set of tires on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner) .



"Fffffffffshhhhhhhhuuuuuyyyeah..!"



Meaning, because the abrasive grains are so small, they don't leave relatively deep or errant-sized cuts in the paint surface compared to traditional diminishing abrasive compounds, as applied with stiff foam pads, or wool cutting pads. With so many particles in play and taking into consideration that the highly polished surface would put more surface area into play, the cut would slow a bit. It's important to consider that with very small particles, they'll load with abraded paint residue, further slowing cut.



That's what I think. I could just be full of it, though. Certainly a possibility. :der:
 
Kevin Brown said:
Tell that to lady that cuts what's left of my hair. :think:



(Que the large inhaling sound) ...When these new fangled non-diminishing super-micro abrasive compounds and polishes are applied with microfiber polishing discs (featuring ultra thin microfiber strands) mounted to oh-so forgiving random orbitals operated by typically intelligent folk... the cut will eventually slow or "self regulate" the more refined or polished the surface becomes (all assuming that the guy polishing the paint isn't banking the pad at a 45 degree angle or applying enough force to blow a new set of tires on a Boeing 787 Dreamliner) .
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But.... aren't you the guy who advocates "edging" the pad at an angle in order to increase cut and remove deeper defects? (Granted, the qualifier is you're talking to people who are experienced in paint correction when suggesting that....)
 
C. Charles Hahn said:
But.... aren't you the guy who advocates "edging" the pad at an angle in order to increase cut and remove deeper defects? (Granted, the qualifier is you're talking to people who are experienced in paint correction when suggesting that....)
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Not 45 degrees!!! :sick:



I coulda' swore I mentioned it would essentially slow the cut so long as the pad was kept level with the polishing surface, but apparently I didn't! Oops. :knockout:
 
Kevin Brown said:
Not 45 degrees!!! :sick:



I coulda' swore I mentioned it would essentially slow the cut so long as the pad was kept level with the polishing surface, but apparently I didn't! Oops. :knockout:
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Yeah, 45 degrees is a bit of an exaggeration.



I kinda figured that's what you meant since putting the pad toward its edge does work to increase cut instead of decreasing it, but I wanted to be sure.
 
C. Charles Hahn said:
Yeah, 45 degrees is a bit of an exaggeration.



I kinda figured that's what you meant since putting the pad toward its edge does work to increase cut instead of decreasing it, but I wanted to be sure.
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Yup, don't use 45 degree of tilt unless your pad & backing plate resembles an upside down 4-sided pyramid.

If it does, then you could have a go at it with another 10 degrees, perhaps. :humble:
 
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