I got my bottle of Werkstatt, aka Jeff's Acrylic Jett

Scottwax

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Ordered it late Wednesday night and it was here on Tuesday afternoon via Fed Ex. Worked out good because I spent the weekend in Houston (off topic national meet) and didn't want anything left on my doorstep while I was gone. Not sure if there are other shipping options.



Acrylic Jett is Shokar...and both products are the nano-technology version of Carlack. AJ is the finalized production version and unlike Shokar, there isn't any discernable scent, while Shokar has a light chemical scent. Consistancy seems the seem, very thin product like Klasse SG or 1Z Glanz Wax.



There is no mention of using a specific product prior to application for proper bonding, just that "Surface should be cool, clean and well prepped." I would still think that for best results you'd need to use their pre-cleaner (an AIO-like product), AIO or a polish that doesn't leave behind a lot of oils. I am going to test that theory though, maybe use products like 1Z MP, Vanilla Moose or Red Machine Glaze, etc and see if that changes anything.



I got a nice note from Jeff, the Carlack importer here in America and he says he will be more than willing to answer questions via e-mail but he will not be registering and posting here so as not to compromise the integrity of the forums and avoid the ensuing drama. He is upfront about the fact that his products are made by Carlack in Germany and he imports and relables them.



Right now, I will be using AJ over AIO since that is what I have on hand (and I still have half a liter) but once I run low, I'll order the Werkstatt pre-cleaner and do some head to head comparisons, plus try AJ over other glazes too. I'll report what I find. :)
 
Web site where we can check it out/order? I remember a couple of old threads saying it had Z like shine without the hassle of having to use the Z system.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
I want to buy some but it's just so darn pricey.



Not really. On average, it was taking a quarter of an ounce to cover the average sized car with Shokar. Since I don't know if AJ is exactly the same (it may have been tweaked prior to the finalized version), I won't promise that your usage will be the same.



At that rate though, 16 oz = 48 applications for $16.95 (the sale price). If you have some AIO on hand all you would need is the sealant.



maecrispy-http://www.jeffswerkstatt.com/products.php



I would agree the look is similar to both Z2 Pro and EX-P. Clear, wet, reflective and glossy. Wipe on a section at a time and remove, apply to the whole car and remove, doesn't seem to matter. Again, since this is the final production version, I can't say for sure if anything has changed with regards to ease of use vs the sample of Shokar I have.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
Scott I just put down $280 on a polisher. ;)



Maybe if you would budget your money a little better......





:rofl





I hear ya! My a/c compressor seized in my 626 and I need new front tires...plus my son needs a laptop before he goes off to college. :bawling:
 
Scottwax said:
Maybe if you would budget your money a little better......





:rofl





I hear ya! My a/c compressor seized in my 626 and I need new front tires...plus my son needs a laptop before he goes off to college. :bawling:



Like not loan things to people..... :wall



I'm actually saving so that in two years once I get my RN I can purchase a new car and put a good downpayment on it without running my savings to zero. Here's hoping.
 
Alfisti said:
Sounds like PRIME is similar to AIO.



I'm not so sure -- at the bottom of the product page, in the usage section, it states that Prime needs a 30 min drying time before you remove it. Definately not AIO-like in that respect...
 
Scottwax said:
[quote name='Alfisti']Sounds like PRIME is similar to AIO.

Yep, very similar.[/QUOTE]

From what Jeff told me, Prime is a new formulation that they (JEFFWerkstatt and Car-Lack) are rolling out this year. Car-Lack will be replacing the existing 68 with the new formulation as stock decreases abroad while JEFFW will be selling it here under his label. And as for Acrylic Jett, it's an updated version of their Long-Life Acryl Wax. Jeff seems like a great guy, very straight forward and open with company/product info. I have the duo coming to me now and am looking forward to comparing it to AIO/SG.



Scott - hurry up with your test, I'll be interested in your results :)



- J
 
So to get things straight....How is Shokar related to Werkstatt, and the Prime and Acrylic sealant are the updated versions (not yet released under CarLack) of the CarLack system, but exclusively for Werkstatt until released under CarLack? :help:



Thanks
 
toyemp said:
I'm not so sure -- at the bottom of the product page, in the usage section, it states that Prime needs a 30 min drying time before you remove it. Definately not AIO-like in that respect...



:nixweiss The Shokar version didn't have thast stipulation. Like I said, I am not sure if any more tweaking was done before the final production version. The Shokar version is on/off like AIO.



pigeonbus-Both Shokar and Jeff's Werkstatt are the nano-technology version of Carlack. Werkstatt is the production version, Shokar may be slightly different, as in a beta version. Apparently, Carlack wanted eShine and Top of the Line to place an initial order that was too large for both companies so the deal fell through. My understanding is that Jeff was able to work a deal to be the Carlack distributor in the US and was allowed to rename the product as he saw fit.



Bear in mind I have not talked to Jeff personally or anyone at Carlack, my information comes from Chris at eShine and a note I got with my order of Werkstatt from Jeff made it clear Carlack makes Werkstatt. Some details may not be 100% exact but the basic story should be pretty accurate. I am sure if I am completely wrong I will get an e-mail from someone. ;)





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I had a customer who turned in his BMW 745 and got the 750. The exterior is tweaked for less ugly and the i-drive seems a little less intimidating. Like usual, he declined dealer prep. Paint was obviously pretty near perfect so all I did was apply the Werkstatt Acrylic Jett. As is the same thing I noticed with Shokar (and many other products as well) that it doesn't spread and remove quiet as easily if you don't polish/glaze first. Since the paint looked so good and no claying was needed I didn't polish. Not that applying it was hard but the foam pad tended to grab a bit until it was loaded with product. As expected, it took very little product, wiped off pretty easily except a few spots were I got it on a bit thick...just a little more effort took care of it.



The appearance was terrific, both my customer and I noticed the paint was darker and wetter looking. Very slick too. Not quite UPP or Wolfgang but not far off either. I have noticed that Shokar stays slicker much longer than those two though, so I will monitor AJ to see if that holds true for it as well.



Obviously, a brand new paint job isn't going to stress any product much, new paint will bead about a year even without protection. What I will be looking for on this car is how long it stays slick and how the appearance holds up. I will also be using it on older cars too, but didn't need to wax anything else today.



Since this post would be worthless without pics, here ya go!



1052005_BMW_750_hood.jpg




1052005_BMW_750_front2.jpg
 
pigeonbus said:
So to get things straight....How is Shokar related to Werkstatt, and the Prime and Acrylic sealant are the updated versions (not yet released under CarLack) of the CarLack system, but exclusively for Werkstatt until released under CarLack? :help:



Thanks

I'm not too familiar with Shokar, but with respect to JEFFS W, this is what Jeff told me via email:

"These formulas[Prime and Acrylic Jett] were developed in conjunction with Car-Lack in 2004 for 2005 introduction"

"Acrylic Jett is a slight update on the solid Long-Life Acryl Wax formula"

"Prime, as mentioned, is a major new formula that will--as I understand it--be replacing the former CarLack 68"



Prime is replacing the older 68 formula as stock is depleted, therefore it can be assumed that it is already being sold as "Car-Lack 68 Nano Systematic Care" abroad.

I hope that clarifies things.



- J
 
I'm curious what is meant by this term "nano". I've seen it used before to describe ceramic particle paints and we've seen it before in a product name from Eagle One but what is actually meant by it here?
 
^^ that's one shiny kidney grill :)

the results look pretty good from here.



Bill D said:
I'm curious what is meant by this term "nano". I've seen it used before to describe ceramic particle paints and we've seen it before in a product name from Eagle One but what is actually meant by it here?

Nano means 1 billionth, so I'm assuming they mean the particle abrasive is ridiculously fine. I'm sure they could have used "micro" but "nano" stands out more. Just marketing...
 
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