I finally have the almighty Zaino

I found nothing on the search about this...but...Has anyone had experience with Zaino over AIO? Showroom, please respond to this, or anyone else, i've not heard a lot about this.
 
iceman said:
Really? Do you find any problems in bonding or durability when you top Z on AIO vs. Z alone? Would you still need Z1 or ZFX as for the first Z layer? And how long after AIO do you wait before applying Z?:nixweiss



This could be my answer to not have to Dawn wash after SEC if I could just use AIO and then Z.
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Yes, I've used AIO as a base for Zaino. I noticed no bonding or durability issues. I still did however use Z1 or ZFX. They are a bonding agent for Zaino and are needed no matter what. I didin't wait at all. Removed AIO, then applied Z1 and then Z2 right on top of it. Worked just fine for me. :up IMO, AIO is more of a chemical cleaner, and does not contain much polymer at all.
 
Lynn - T-storms and it is really muggy, RH is like 75% today? (guestimate, really muggy.)



Darn Z-7 leaked! I should really invest in one of those labeling machines, wait no, gotta get me a case of Trim Shine first, and a case of Zaino #314 applicators, darn also so more pads for my Makita.



blah, anyway, I can't wait for the results.....
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
Yes, I've used AIO as a base for Zaino. I noticed no bonding or durability issues. IMO, AIO is more of a chemical cleaner, and does not contain much polymer at all.
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So does AIO contain any oils and such like other cleaner/polishes? What happens to the cleaning agents when you use AIO? Do they buff off, leaving only the acrylic polymer behind?
 
I can't answer about what happens to the cleaners, but there are definitely no oils, as SG won't bond properly to an oily surface.
 
No oils/fillers in AIO. Chemicals evaporate during, and after, application. The friction from removal sets the resins and they begin to "cure" with exposure to air. IMO, AIO is more cleaner than polymer. I've had no trouble using it under Z.
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
The friction from removal sets the resins and they begin to "cure" with exposure to air. IMO, AIO is more cleaner than polymer.
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If you find AIO is more cleaner than polymer, how long have you found it to last by itself and what kind of protection does it provide? Since a lot of people put it on the wheels without other topper polymers, would this be a wise thing to do then if the durability is not so great? The CMA site and such lists it lasting 6 months and providing excellent UV and environmental protection!
 
Jngrbrdman, I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions on Z. (It'd better be good...or else!! hehe, j/k!!)



I've used AIO as a base for Zaino also....with good results.
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
From my testing AIO as a stand alone product does not even last a month.
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I agree with that statement. It doesn't last very long. The only method I've used to be able to tell if its still there is if it is still beading. It stops doing that after just a few weeks. AIO isn't meant to be used all by itself. What CMA, or any store, writes isn't necessarily gospel. I'd trust the reviews of people who use it frequently over the reviews of a company trying to make a sale any day of the week. I'm not saying that CMA is lying or anything. Maybe they are just saying what Klasse told them to say. I dunno... All I know is that AIO is not much of a protectant sealant all by itself.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Maybe I'll pull the old switcharoo on them and see if they notice the difference. ;)
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BWAAAHAHAHAHA! You are E-ville, Jngr.:D

It would be interesting if you suckered them successfully.
 
All the ZFX is going to do is allow you to skip the Z-1 and put on up to 3 applications a day. It does nothing for "drying "time. That is totaly dependent on the weather.

MI , 70+% humidity = 30 min. or so drying time. Less if its in the sun.
 
kempie said:
All the ZFX is going to do is allow you to skip the Z-1 and put on up to 3 applications a day. It does nothing for "drying "time. That is totaly dependent on the weather.

MI , 70+% humidity = 30 min. or so drying time. Less if its in the sun.
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hmm Seems to make mine dry faster?:nixweiss
 
Redcar GUY said:
hmm Seems to make mine dry faster?:nixweiss
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Exactly. If you read the instructions with ZFX, it says to let dry for 30 minutes though I've buffed off probably in 20 minutes before. Without ZFX, you are at the mercy of temperature and humidity to a greater degree, needing anywhere from 1 hour all the way to 4 hours or even overnight in extreme conditions, I guess.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
I agree with that statement. It doesn't last very long. The only method I've used to be able to tell if its still there is if it is still beading. It stops doing that after just a few weeks. AIO isn't meant to be used all by itself. What CMA, or any store, writes isn't necessarily gospel. I'd trust the reviews of people who use it frequently over the reviews of a company trying to make a sale any day of the week. I'm not saying that CMA is lying or anything. Maybe they are just saying what Klasse told them to say. I dunno... All I know is that AIO is not much of a protectant sealant all by itself.
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I don't think seeing how well water beads off the surface is a good indicator of performance. If that were the case, then Zaino would have half the life that it proports to have, as the beading action is lost well before the protection.



I have used 1 coat of AIO on my mom's Tahoe, and it lasted a good 3-4 months before I had to reapply. The surface lost its beading action, but it still was able to repel dirt pretty well, and the surface still felt pretty smooth. I could tell some deterioration in performance after about 3 months, but I would say that it held up pretty well until then.



-Bob
 
I think that surface feel is just about as shoddy of a method of determining the life of a product as beading. Without some sort of meter to tell if there is still product on the surface then we can't know how long its lasting unless we can use our eyes and hands to tell. Beading is just as good of an indicator as feel. Try waxing a car that hasn't been clayed. It is still rough even 2 minutes after you wax it. Does that mean the wax is gone? Just because a car is smooth doesn't mean there is any protection on it. A brand new paint job is smooth and will bead water. That doesn't mean anything.



Now I'm concerned about Zaino. Am I going to have to wait 3 hours before I can buff it off or is that just a cure time? I'm not waiting 3 hours for it to dry before I can buff it off. If that is what Zaino requires without ZFX then I think its too much hassle. I don't have 10 combined hours to invest in 3 layers. I can get 3 layers of Platinum or SG in 3 combined hours and the appearance and durability differences are similar. I don't know that Zaino is going to be able to offer a difference so dramatic that it is worth hanging around watching it dry for 3 hours. I'm still going to test it, but score one for the other guy. :(
 
Jngr, I just checked your local weather in Salt Lake City. It says today it is 85 degrees F and 29% humidity. In these conditions, I don't think you will have much of a problem with Z drying at all.
 
How long am I going to have to wait before I can buff it off then? My test car is already clean inside so its not like I can spend the rest of the time doing the interior or something. If I closed the door on the garage and let it bake in my 100 degree garage would it speed it up. It may be 85 degrees at 8:15 but it will be in the high 90s by noon. Hot and dry is the norm around here lately. Do you think an hour would be long enough?
 
Jngrbrdman said:
How long am I going to have to wait before I can buff it off then?... Do you think an hour would be long enough?
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Over at Acura-TSX.com there are a lot of Zaino zealots (as I like to call them ;) ). Upon their recommendation I decided to try it but found it to be just too much work to do "properly."



Those who are detailing fanatics say that the first coat should cure for 24 hrs (for best durability/bonding). The second for 12 and the third for 6. And in between coats these coats, Z6 (the gloss enhancing spray) should be applied to enhance the gloss and give it its best shine.



And they recommend doing this once a year, if not twice. There is even conjecture that the use of the ZX2 accelerant decreases the durability of the bonding so that some are saying that this entire process should be done 2 (at the very least) to 3 (more likely) times a year for best protection.



No thanks...
 
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