i asked Sal Zaino about putting carnauba as a topper...

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chip douglas

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He says to not do that, cause it'd actually go against the Z system, and told me Z will be enough, he said: *you'll see what i mean once you apply it*



My question is what s going to happen if i apply carnauba as a topper to zaino ? Will the carnauba harm the zaino ? I had in mind that once the carnauba is gone, zaino will still be there and do it s protectiing job, but who knows....
 
No wax/polish/sealant maker is going to suggest the way to get the best look from his products is by using another product that he does not make.
 
Sure you CAN top Zaino, it's just a pain to maintain Zaino after topping with wax if you wanted to add to Zaino. You'd have to strip the wax, then add Zaino.



It's just that waxes contain oils/silicone and when they lay on top of Zaino, sure it looks good but it can try to migrate through the Zaino. Zaino may be tough, but it's not impervious.



If you like to top it, fine. If you don't, that's fine too, it's all really a matter of personal preference.



Sure, Sal would like you not to add wax, as this deviates from the Zaino theory and how it looks.



The "plastic" look sometimes is due to the finish not being fully polished out and oils removed. Zaino then tries to bond, is slightly inhibited, and when it dries/cures it looks like a film of plastic wrap. Once the finish is as mirror looking as possible and all oils are off the finish, Zaino looks much better.



Regards,

Deanski
 
No, The shine between Z and Carnouba is different.



Z is more reflective.

I don't think the plasticity is because how oil free or polished correctly the car. It depends much in the color of the car.



If you go to Zaino web site and compares cars you will see the plasticity on darker colors while in light colors is superb. :bow



I top with P21S after the Z and the plasticity is gone!. Carnouba made the dark color darker but with a deep shine that Z is lacking.



I was using Meg products before I did'nt have the same shine on my cars.



:)
 
fidelfs said:
I was using Meg products before I did'nt have the same shine on my cars.

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What Meguiars products specifically? People may know what you are talking about when you say I tried P21S or S100 or Zaino but, Meguiars makes a lot of different waxes and sealants.



Just curious.
 
Z was wicked easy to apply & buff off, but on a light colored car, did not have ANYWHERE NEAR the depth or warmth of carnauba.

I've since been topping with #7 followed by #26, and it is outstanding.

You don't have to top Z, but you'll probably want to.
 
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:hm Jeez...that's a bit harsh, don't you think. Regardless of what anyone might think of Zaino, I have always heard good things about the service from Sal. I would expect any person in business to slant the truth a little bit for their product, but that's no reason to make a statment like that.
 
StickKing1 said:
:hm Jeez...that's a bit harsh, don't you think. Regardless of what anyone might think of Zaino, I have always heard good things about the service from Sal. I would expect any person in business to slant the truth a little bit for their product, but that's no reason to make a statment like that.
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I've spoken to him on the phone, and for a guy with a very focused and small customer base, he was awfully short and irritated by my questions pertaining to polymers (a system I had never used before). To top it all off, you've got to print a mail order form, mail it with a check and wait to get the products back?? WTF is that?
 
blackcaraddict said:
To top it all off, you've got to print a mail order form, mail it with a check and wait to get the products back?? WTF is that?
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As was widely posted here a while back, the site has online ordering now. Just thought you'd like to know. Can't comment on your other problem, as I have not dealt with Sal.
 
uhm, I should say my WTF back. www.zainostore.com sells Zaino online.



I have spoken to him on the phone on several occasions. Really nice conversations about polymers, abrasive products (3M, Meguiar's), and other random detailing subjects. Nothing bad at all.
 
Gents... let's not get our hackles up and please keep the abbreviated language in good taste for a mixed audience.



Thanks,

db
 
I dont have a dog in this fight, I have however had several real Zaino fans tell me that Sal treated them less than nicely when they asked what they claim was a simple question. More than one was cursed at, not something you should do to someone paying what Sal charges.



Im no Zaino guy nor do I think its bad, this is just something I have heard here and elsewhere.



I have to admit I tried to order a few times, was too much hassle so I never did try it. For some reason he wouldnt ship to NJ, you have to drive there, its about 70 miles from me, go figure?
 
I just tried pinnacle souveran tonight and let me say....to hell with polymers!!! lolol j/k but seriously, that stuff is as good as my Zymol Destiny for less money. Amazing stuff.



Not to mention that the folks down at properautocare.com are super-nice.



-Tom
 
Look guys, if you continuously had to answer the same questions that you have meticulously provided on a website, and it's say 100+ degree temp in the shop, it just gets on some peoples nerve. Nothing personal, just frustrating that people do not do their due diligence prior to purchasing a product that may cost more than others. Look through the posts, check mfg websites, read through all the info, then procure the products. Further info can be had via the mfg as well.



As for Sal, I've spoken to him in great length on all subjects, and we both understand we are trying to obtain the best shine and respect each views. Sure, he shoots from the hip on occasion, but that's fine by me. He has tested many products over the years and has a vast database to draw from. It may be subjective, it may also be professionally delt with as well and not well received by enthusiasts who are quite loyal or drawn into another product and mfg. claims. But that's what makes all of us unique! We all see thing different. Some are more on the enthusiats way of thinking and some are more on the professional way of thinking.



Again, don't take it personal if Sal may be short, just try to read and make sure you go through what a mfg will instruct if it's on a bottle or a website.



Sal can be a weath of knowledge, so draw from the well if you can make your own educated opinion without being offended, or put-off by the opinion of someone else.



back to the real topic: Sure, you can top it. So many people do with good results. It's all trial and error sometime on our behalf, so why not? OK, so maybe it can (wax) try to migrate to the finish. You can also get cancer from out in the sun... maybe..



Also remember, Zaino started as a show car polish, which was then a closely guaded secret amongst all other show people. It started slow, word-of-mouth, then proceeded to a mail order business, which now is fully on the web. He spends more time developing the product than how to deliver it.



So now, enjoy the Zaino website, you can order directly from it and it has all the tips/tricks known by Sal. All other tips/tricks you can read in all the posts from all of us "playing" with it.



Sal does not post on this forum, but he did keep en eye out once and awhile.



For those that enjoy Zaino.. great, those that don't, that's OK too. You never know what's new until one of us tries it, reports on it and then we decide.



Now, let's find something better to post about!



Regards,

Deanski
 
If I were paying him that kind of money(which I'm not anymore) to buy his product line, I would expect nothing less than full respect and cooperation. He does in fact market to the little guy so one would think every customer is valued. From a consumer's standpoint, who cares what kind of a day he is having? The ability to act professionally, even when having a bad day, should be a must.



Edit: There are countless posts about Meguiars' customer service. Sal should not be excluded from such criticisms. It's only fair.



:wavey
 
I agree.



I don't see why everyone (particularly over at the ls1/f-body sites) feels that zaino is special or different than any other company. Terry and Jan Frieberg make products (blackfire, pinnacle) that are just as good and offer just as good (maybe better) service, and for certain a better website.



As far as i'm concerned Zaino is another detailing company, subject to the same criticisms and praise as any other. They have a good product and they have a good following. I'm tired of hearing how great it is though. I've used it, and its good, but its a medium of things. Where it is best is not so much shine (IMHO) but durability. Like DeanSki said, its personal preference. Bashing it stupidly is pointless but praising it as the end-all be-all is as well.



-Tom
 
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