For those interested, Shock Jock Howard Stern is moving to Sirus radio
due to the issues He and his employers have encountered from the FCC.
He had a chance to engage the FCC Chairman, Micheal Powell on the radio.
Here's the link:
I may stand alone in this, but I don't think people should be giving him such a hard time. He isn't saying anything that I haven't heard on the street or at work every day of my life. People don't have to watch his show if they don't want to. I understand the need for rules, and if he breaks them then he should be fined, but I'm just glad that the rules don't apply on Sirus. I guess its the Cable TV of the radio world or something. That's good. Now he won't have to hold back and he can be really entertaining. Finally... A reason to get Sirus radio. I've been holding back because I figured there would be nothing good on. Howard is going to become more contraversial and popular than ever now. Like I said... I may stand alone in that opinion, but even if you disagree with me on his entertainment value, you can't deny that moving off the radio onto a service that allows the whole world can hear him is going to make the monster even bigger.
Big Stern fan here and its simple if you don't like what he says change the channel.Today he was ruthless about ALI so I changed the channel,im no different
Yes, it is pathetic he can't even try to tell a joke with no intent of being obscene without having to second guess every word he says. He's funny and I enjoy many of his bits. I think more time ought to be spent pursuing far more serious matters and I wish Howard, Robin ,Artie,Fred and of course, Baba Booey all the best on Sirius :bigups
I can't believe that so few people can change the rules for all. Nobody has the right to not be offended. I'd like to know who these people are that are forced to listen to Stern with a gun to their head. Last time I checked, you can change the station with the push of a button. I dont' like what he says all the time but he has every right to say anything he wants.
You have the right to say whatever you want too. There are things you will face consequences for saying, but you still have the right. If we were a country that didn't let you say what you wanted then he would be in jail right now. The reason he is going to Sirus radio is because the rules are loose there. Its like how Sopranos gets away with more than Law and Order does. Its just different rules. But like everybody said, if you don't like what he says, then you don't have to listen. He doesn't intrude your space unless you dial him in. He isn't like a telemarketer or a commercial that just shows up when you don't want it. He isn't porn spam that shows up in your kid's email. He is just a very vocal DJ who says stuff that a lot of more repressed people think but don't ever say. It may be crude and rude and irreverent and every other word you can think of, but as long as he is an American living in America, then his rights to say it are protected. The FCC can still fine him for it, but that is about it. Obviously the worst that can happen is that he is taken off the limited air that he has on normal radio and move over to a larger audience on satelite radio. I'm sure his audience will really decrease... Not. This will probably be the best thing he could do for his career. I don't look at it as a bad thing. Its like saying, "Awwww.... Damn. I just won the lottery. What am I going to do with ten million dollars?"
Seriously though Rick... when was the last time anyone said what I could or could not say? Doing whatever you want isn't necessarily freedom. That is anarchy. However, we do have the right to speak our mind. We just don't have the freedom to choose our consequences.
I believe in freedom of speech/expression. It's what got Jesus on the cross. Though I don't think Howard will get the same response. He's into entertaining with words while Jesus saves with His words.
Fuzz, I understand what you are saying. I'm just saying even in America we do not have freedom of speech.Then again I guess it depends on the meaning of freedom.
I'm not trying to argue. I just like a nice legal debate.
Name something that you can't say in this country and you should be able to? We can say that our president is a bone head. We can call police 'pigs'. We can dissent in almost any way imaginable. It is illegal to cry out 'Fire!' in a theater. It is illegal to yell out "There is a bomb on the plane!" Those are good things. I'm glad there are laws. There are rules in place to divide the 'freedom' from the 'anarchy', but you still have the choice. Acting without consequence is anarchy. No government offers you that. You aren't going to be tried for treason just because you gripe about the government or anything like that. What Howard Stern does is pushing the line of free speech, but its not like he is being censored for his political views or anything. The FCC is just trying to keep the airwaves clean. There isn't anything wrong with that. He can have all the freedom of speech he wants on satelite radio.
Marge Schott, Jimmy the Greek Snyder, Rush Limbaugh are among those that got in trouble and or lost their job due to what they said.Every human being in this world has the choice to speak out/up. They have to decide if the consequences are worth it. Choice and freedom are two different things.
If what they said was in violation of the FCC's rules for decency, then they deserved it. If it was a termination in violation of their right to free speech then they would have sued. If you call me a 'mullet wearing freakshow' then I will ban your ass. That doesn't limit your freedom of speech. It just causes you to face the consequences of your actions. If you want to sue for censorship then there are laws for that too. The government doesn't monitor DC. That in and of itself tells you that you have free speech. In a world without free speech you wouldn't have chatrooms or message boards where posts weren't moderated before posting them.
Ok a hypothetical one. The CEO of a major corporation is a serious racist. He goes on a national talk show and just blast the race he despises. Although wholeheartedly he believes in what he is saying will he be the CEO in a month?I'm not arguing with you. I can only wax so much Fuzzman.
political suicide is not a violation of your freedom of speech. If he believes that he can do something like that and still remain basically an elected member of a coporation, then he has some serious issues. The government isn't going to take his job. That will likely be done by the shareholders and the board of directors. How is that a violation of your freedom of speech?
By the way, is this 'hypothetical' situation in any way related to why I don't see the Whaler in your avatar? C'mon man... you can tell me. :naughty What did he do? Did he go off on skinny chicks again? I can't count how many times I have told him that it isn't smooooth to call them names.
Again, that is anarchy. The First Amendment says this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Where does it say that you get to say whatever you want there? It just says that the government can't make a law that limits what you can say. If making decisions that affects the financial stability of a company are in question then it becomes an internal decision. If the CEO isn't making decisions with the best interest of the shareholders in mind, then he is going to be let go. Its not because they are limiting his free speech. Its because he is a moron. There is no law against firing people who are self destructive and are bringing down the company. I think it falls under "failure to meet expectations." The expectation is that he doesn't draw negative press to the corporation and kill their stock prices because people won't invest in the company with a racist at the helm.
Being able to act without interference or control by another; right to believe in what you want, right to choose own friends, and have own ideas and opinions, to express own ideas in public, the right for people to meet in groups, the right to have any lawful job or business. www.whitehall.k12.mi.us/curriculum/socialstudies/glossaryofterms.htm
Our hypothetical CEO certainly had the right to express his own ideas in public. He does not have a right to keep his job if shareholders call for his resignation. He used his FREEDOM OF SPEACH but that very freedom cost him his job.
Freedom is never free. There is always a cost involved. We have men and women giving their lives everyday for the freedom of others. It's what you do with your freedom that counts. People that are free and have freedom of speach still can't be racists and expect people to be accepting and understanding of their racism. Especially when it is a CEO of a company in the public eye.
If he is fired for what he said and he can prove it, then he will likely take the corporation to federal court and sue for violating his constitutional rights. People break the law all the time. When they get caught they get punished too. Just because people violate your first amendment rights doesn't mean they get to get away with it. That is why I said that if those other people you mentioned lost their jobs for anything other than losing people money then they would have sued. If you work customer service for a phone company and you end every call with "Bite me" then they are going to fire you.
PS... this is my 'Business up front' part. :naughty Personally I can't wait to get to the party in the back, but I can't pass up a good debate. :bigups
The expectation is that he doesn't draw negative press to the corporation and kill their stock prices because people won't invest in the company with a racist at the helm.