Dan
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Mush-Mouth said:
Umm, waxes are so 1900's (for cars at least). Sealants have been generally available since the 80's.
Have you tried Carnauba Lately?
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Umm, waxes are so 1900's (for cars at least). Sealants have been generally available since the 80's.
wascallyrabbit
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the sealants of the 80's are not even close to what we have today.
Dan
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wascallyrabbit said:
Good point. Neither are the waxes.
togwt
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It depends on what you expect from a product, looks (wax), durability (polymer) or long-term durability (coating)
As much as these products have advanced they are all only resistant to environmental acids, although one 70’s acrylic polymer (Klasse) offers the most resistance
As much as these products have advanced they are all only resistant to environmental acids, although one 70’s acrylic polymer (Klasse) offers the most resistance
Dan
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TOGWT said:
Not sure what you are saying here, can you elaborate? Are you saying that carnauba is a more effective protectant, even if its durability is much less?
Accumulator
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wascallyrabbit said:
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Yakky said:
Eh, I still think *very* highly of the Klasse twins and my fave waxes are that old. [Shoot], M16 dates from the 1950s!
Wonder when Floyd came up with FK1000P
togwt
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yakky said:
As a sacrificial layer;yes
sac•ri•fi•cial [:designed to be used up or destroyed]
togwt
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Accumulator said:
A Carnauba wax is organic, Collinite and Megs #16 are both inorganic (synthetic)
Accumulator
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Accumulator said:
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TOGWT said:
I'd figured as much on the Collinite (not sure about their 915 though) but I'm a little surprised about M16.
Dan
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TOGWT said:
Hmm, I've gathered that from various sources and personal experience. But I'm curious of the duration and the science behind it.
Is carnauba more reactive, thus acts as a neutralizer? Or is it just a more effective barrier?
So in theory carnauba is more protective, but is it in real life? IE, what is the threshold? Typically carnauba has a real outdoor durability of a month (two if you live in a very mild climate/area). So is the assumption that as long as you have wax on the surface, you are better protected? In essence, if I could re-apply once a month, would carnauba be the best surface protectant? Or is the threshold even shorter?
. I've heard plenty of good things about the durability of that product.
jfelbab
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TOGWT said:
Meguiars Professional Paste Wax, a.k.a. #16, is a pure wax containing carnauba according to the label. It mentions nothing about being inorganic (synthetic). You have a source that supports that claim?
Synthetic and inorganic are not synonyms. Let's please not confuse that.... All of the sealants and waxes mentioned in this thread are organic. ...and most contain a mix of synthetic and natural ingredients.
On the basic question...I've been using Werkstat Carnauba Jett a good bit lately. Love the look and easy/durable like a lot of sealants. Got to admit, it would be heard to beat the latest Meguairs Ultimate products.
On the basic question...I've been using Werkstat Carnauba Jett a good bit lately. Love the look and easy/durable like a lot of sealants. Got to admit, it would be heard to beat the latest Meguairs Ultimate products.
jfelbab said:Meguiars Professional Paste Wax, a.k.a. #16, is a pure wax containing carnauba according to the label. It mentions nothing about being inorganic (synthetic). You have a source that supports that claim?
Most *carnauba* waxes we use are hybrid carnauba/synthetic blends (and heavy on the polymers), including M16, Nattys, Poxy, Gold Class, etc.
From what I can tell the waxes that *I* would classify as a true carnauba (i.e. carnauba is the main protective ingredient, even if they contain some polymers) would be Souveran, S100, the original Victorias, Zymols, Swissvax, and a few others that don't come to mind.
countrysquire
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I tried Carnauba Moose on my daily driver (Arctic Silver 911) for a while and was pleased with it, but have since switched to Ultima on both it and my wife's car. Just a better look and more durability on modern metallic finishes, IMHO. That being said, the last time I prepared my show car for competition, I topped it with P21S 100% and was floored by just how right the paint looked, maybe as good as I've been able to accomplish. But it's an old car with non-metallic pastel yellow paint. And, even though it stays covered in the garage, that 'look' is gone three months later.
Accumulator
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jfelbab said:
I too wonder about that, especially since, AFAIK, M16 remained basically unchanged from it's original 1950s formulation. I always figure that most waxes are hybrids to some degree, but a product that's *that* old-tech.... I dunno :think:
But, more directly to the point of this thread...where are all the Zymol fans?!? There were a few people on here who were absolutely *thrilled* with Vintage, and these weren't silly cost-blinded fan-boys either, but rather serious detailers who'd used a lot of LSPs and had specific reasons for thinking Vintage was so great.