Gtechniq EXO vs Opticoat

[Guitarist302008]

Guitarist, try to consider that professional detailers are probably making most (likely all) of their money on the quality of their results; not by sharing their experiences with particular products or brands.



Are you trying to hurt other peoples business by making accusations against them without any clear proof? Its basically slandering people

I'm not going by that, I am going by his OWN words in which he said that HD polish gives a better look than other polishes which IMO is not true. It may work very well... not doubting that, but making a claim such as that with no real information to back it up is ignorance at it's best. I use Menzerna.. I also use Meg's polish.. both of them work quite well and if I polished one panel with one brand and another panel with something else I can guarantee you would not see that difference.

 

[gmblack3]

Plain and simple. You opinion carries the weight of nothing here.

 

[David Fermani]

I question the intent and experience of the person that did that review. Some of the comments and things he did makes him sound very inexperienced IMO.



Would love to see what David Fermani thinks of this comment the guy made...







I also don't feel a gloss meters matter much...regardless of the readings, you get 10 people standing next to the car looking at it, they will all have different options on which looks the best when the readings are that close at least. Why he topped OC2 with Poli-seal is beyond me.

Totally scratching my head at those results as well as the credibility of the tester in certain instances. He used HD Nitro Seal and used HD Touch as a topper? It's a QD and if anything would clean the surface reducing the gloss.



Does anyone have a link to the test thread? I only have the spreadsheet data?

 

[RaskyR1]

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...loss-and-durability-of-the-top-paint-finishes





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[David Fermani]

Just a couple things bounced out at me on the 1st couple pages that made me :think:

The c.quartz has a very complicated and lengthy application process so for now i"m going to exclude it.

Any sealer that comes with a compatible polish will be tested with both.

He says this about doubting the durabilty of OC:

The claims for the Opti-Coat are over the top (basically them claim it lasts forever), as are those of all of these products.

Then basically admits the opposite here:

just use something that can be removed later but not something like Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0, which can't be removed.

 

[Guitarist302008]

Just a couple things bounced out at me on the 1st couple pages that made me :think:











He says this about doubting the durabilty of OC:



Then basically admits the opposite here:

Yeah, I don't completely get that one either man

 

[imported_Rcrew]

I'm not going by that, I am going by his OWN words in which he said that HD polish gives a better look than other polishes which IMO is not true. It may work very well... not doubting that, but making a claim such as that with no real information to back it up is ignorance at it's best. I use Menzerna.. I also use Meg's polish.. both of them work quite well and if I polished one panel with one brand and another panel with something else I can guarantee you would not see that difference.

I'm not sure how Thomas sharing his opinion on which polish looks best to him is ignorance. He has probably used them all over the years, so he is actually speaking from experience, right? Maybe that is what you meant to say.



There are varying opinions being shared on this forum all the time. Varying levels of experience backing them up too. Taking it personally when someone disagrees with yours and then attacking them is a slippery slope.

 

[jlb85]

The gentleman on the tesla forum is definitely not a pro. There are many holes in his test, imo. There are issues with prep, application, and judging results even when using the gloss meter. I would have done things a little different, but I can see, putting myself into his shoes, if I didn't have the experience I have now, my testing would probably be just as flawed.



Regardless, he is trying to get some objective testing, which is much more than the typical car-specific forum level of "this looks best I have not used anything else" type advice by diy-ers. So I have to comend him for it! How he got a gloss meter and which one, though, is a mystery



As an engineer I will tend to prefer data over opinion, if such data is available. But numbers from an improper test is probably worse than a subjective opinion (opinion at least carries passion and experience in most cases). I would love to have a gloss meter and a bunch of other meters to play with. But we do not get paid to do testing, and there is no incentive from mfgs to pay for such a service. I think Rasky's comparison is still probably the best comparison so far, and he has done this at his own expense and investment.



And on that note, everyone's opinion can be valid! As I mentioned earlier, opinions of people we regard as unbiased, truthful, or righteous still is and has been the standard not only in detailing but in so many areas of interest (food, wine, beer, religion, for example). Technique is almost as individual as the results. While some techniques can seem pretty even, others are not, especially with new or difficult processes or products. Thats just the nature of it. Understanding it is subjective and preferential (or biased) regardless of intent should remove the weight of personal conflict. There is no reason to take anything personal (unless a personal attack), especially on this forum. Marc and I have very differing opinions on some things (in detailing) and it is quite constructive, and I think it helps our results.



You guys should see some of our facebook groups tearing at each other! It is sad to read through sometimes. Lets not have that here, please.

 

[pwaug]

I couldn't quite work it out. What LSP is on this car?

I believe these are all OptiCoat (or guard)

 

[pwaug]

opinions of people we regard as unbiased, truthful, or righteous still is and has been the standard not only in detailing but in so many areas of interest (food, wine, beer, religion, for example). Technique is almost as individual as the results. While some techniques can seem pretty even, others are not, especially with new or difficult processes or products.

IMO this is why the opinions of individuals like Thomas and Scottwax (as examples--not to slight anyone) are so valuable to those of us who only detail as a hobby or just to keep our cars in great condition. Thomas seems to have a preference for HD products and Scottwax for Optimum, but if you routinely read their Click and Brags it is very clear they each use a variety of products to suit the conditions and paint they are correcting as well as meeting the customers expectations and price point, that they are top notch professionals using the latest and best techniques and provide their honest opinions based on their experiences not conjecture.

 

[RaskyR1]

The gentleman on the tesla forum is definitely not a pro. There are many holes in his test, imo. There are issues with prep, application, and judging results even when using the gloss meter. I would have done things a little different, but I can see, putting myself into his shoes, if I didn't have the experience I have now, my testing would probably be just as flawed.



Regardless, he is trying to get some objective testing, which is much more than the typical car-specific forum level of "this looks best I have not used anything else" type advice by diy-ers. So I have to comend him for it! How he got a gloss meter and which one, though, is a mystery



As an engineer I will tend to prefer data over opinion, if such data is available. But numbers from an improper test is probably worse than a subjective opinion (opinion at least carries passion and experience in most cases). I would love to have a gloss meter and a bunch of other meters to play with. But we do not get paid to do testing, and there is no incentive from mfgs to pay for such a service. I think Rasky's comparison is still probably the best comparison so far, and he has done this at his own expense and investment.



And on that note, everyone's opinion can be valid! As I mentioned earlier, opinions of people we regard as unbiased, truthful, or righteous still is and has been the standard not only in detailing but in so many areas of interest (food, wine, beer, religion, for example). Technique is almost as individual as the results. While some techniques can seem pretty even, others are not, especially with new or difficult processes or products. Thats just the nature of it. Understanding it is subjective and preferential (or biased) regardless of intent should remove the weight of personal conflict. There is no reason to take anything personal (unless a personal attack), especially on this forum. Marc and I have very differing opinions on some things (in detailing) and it is quite constructive, and I think it helps our results.



You guys should see some of our facebook groups tearing at each other! It is sad to read through sometimes. Lets not have that here, please.

Well said Jacob.



I actually have no issues with the results the tester came up with...and I do agree that he should be commended for doing such a test as it involves a ton of work on his end, not to mention the cost. My issue was the lack of research that went in to some of the products on the prep, application, and topping of products. At the end of the day polishign is the key to making the paint look its best, regardless of what LSP you put on it. This test was all about gloss which IMO should not be the most important attribute when choosing an LSP, but to each their own.



I've never been a real fan of gloss meters either. While they do provide some scientific data, they will never be able to tell me what my eyes see. On my test pans CQF and 22ple are very noticeably darker/richer than OCP, which to me looks better, but a gloss meter may come back with a reading that is actually lower than what OC reads.



LOL, I will say that the review makes me want to try out Glare now!

 

[Guitarist302008]

I'm not sure how Thomas sharing his opinion on which polish looks best to him is ignorance. He has probably used them all over the years, so he is actually speaking from experience, right? Maybe that is what you meant to say.



There are varying opinions being shared on this forum all the time. Varying levels of experience backing them up too. Taking it personally when someone disagrees with yours and then attacking them is a slippery slope.

Others here will tell you he throws little plugs in here and there too. It's not just me.

 

[mikenap]

Others here will tell you he throws little plugs in here and there too. It's not just me.

Yet you're the only one making an issue out of it.



Everyone has preferences, from pros to enthusiasts alike. It's no secret Thomas had a business relationship with 3D/HD. He no longer has that same relationship, but he uses what he likes and gives him the results he wants. If you look through my posts, I have a clear love for HD Polish and used to mention it a lot, before it was as well-known as it is now. People will talk about and use what they like. Why make a mountain out of a molehill?

 

[Guitarist302008]

Yet you're the only one making an issue out of it.



Everyone has preferences, from pros to enthusiasts alike. It's no secret Thomas had a business relationship with 3D/HD. He no longer has that same relationship, but he uses what he likes and gives him the results he wants. If you look through my posts, I have a clear love for HD Polish and used to mention it a lot, before it was as well-known as it is now. People will talk about and use what they like. Why make a mountain out of a molehill?

actually that's news to me, he never bothered to mention it, but it explains a lot anyway.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Dude, you are so full of it. Not true? Are you saying that I do not know myself? To me, HD POLISH is the best looking LSP. I was using 85rd years before you even knew of this forum. How is it that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you has a hidden agenda?



Do you think you will ever grow up? I tried HD UNO in august 2009. Once I used it, I either trashed all other products or gave them away, or finished them up. (polishes) For 3 years, all I used was HD UNO to cut polish and finish. Then after 3 years I was hired and worked for 3D for exactly 6 months.



Yet I still use and pay for HD POLISH. TO MY EYES, 85rd looks plasticy compared to HD POLISH. Not to mention how much easier it is to use. HD POLISH also doesn't hide. I can't say that for 85rd (my actual experience)



If you do this for a living, over time you come across products that work for YOU. I have mine. Not sure what is up your a$$ questioning me or accusing me of BS.



You always ignore my challenge, but here it is again. Come to Oregon, I will take you on a full correction detail and see why I like what I like.



I also like Optimum polishes. 205 as well. You name it, I have used them. Everything I say is from experience. Unlike you...



Both 85rd and 205 shines. You are guaranteeing so many things. But people who talk about stuff they haven't personally tried are usually can not be taken seriously.



I mean why are you arguing about stuff you haven't used? Buy it, try it and even then you can't say I am wrong anymore than I can say that you are wrong.



Do you also argue with pro mechanics about what they use?



What do you do for a living?



Here you go, more of HD CUT and HD POLISH, topped with what else? OPTI COAT



I know to you OC doesn't look good enough, but somehow my customers are blown away.





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Here is something else you don't know. ALL my details get OPTI COAT for LSP. I have one customer who pays me every 2 months to wash his Ferrari I corrected awhile back and I put Todd's signature wax on it.

I'm not going by that, I am going by his OWN words in which he said that HD polish gives a better look than other polishes which IMO is not true. It may work very well... not doubting that, but making a claim such as that with no real information to back it up is ignorance at it's best. I use Menzerna.. I also use Meg's polish.. both of them work quite well and if I polished one panel with one brand and another panel with something else I can guarantee you would not see that difference.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Paul - I only use Opti Coat now as LSP.

I couldn't quite work it out. What LSP is on this car?

 

[Thomas Dekany]

You really need to get a life. Plugs for what? You live in a fantasy world.



Am I plugging OC? After all that is the only LSP I use. I pay full price, never received a panny % off.



Got to go, Sapphire black M6 is waiting to be corrected and coated.



S3 Gold, HD POLISH, OPTI COAT





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Others here will tell you he throws little plugs in here and there too. It's not just me.

 

[chrisguga]

Dang Thomas. You've stepped your photography skills WAY up.



Nice.

 

[Guitarist302008]

congrats on that thomas lol.

 

[Guitarist302008]

anyway OP, I again apologize for the thread hijack. Hopefully you'll have some fresh pics we can check out. I'll be interested to see them. Thomas is on ignore now, so I won't be responding to him again. Hopefully the thread can now get back on topic.