Gtechniq EXO vs Opticoat

I can verify on silver the 22ple does have a very glossy glass like look to it. I'm at around 3 months so far and still very glossy and slick.
 
So does Opti Coat - Except durability will suffer with all these other "coatings". It is good to be in the detailing business right now though. Between these 4 products, no reason to use any of the old school LSPs anymore. :thumb::thumb::thumb:





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iluvspl said:
I can verify on silver the 22ple does have a very glossy glass like look to it. I'm at around 3 months so far and still very glossy and slick.
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Let me bring you back to reality. YOU do not tell ME what to do. Got it?



PS: Don't you have a newborn? Shouldn't you be a daddy? Instead of getting your narcissistic fix on a forum that has not banned you yet??



You carry on the worst arguments ever. Bringing up Todd? Todd sells 22ple. How you can have an issue with Mark? Have you ever been wrong in your life?



Go spend time with your family. Time better spent. Trust me on that one. You are making a fool out of yourself over and over.



Guitarist302008 said:
and looks will suffer with any coating the longer you have it on, go back to the HD section.
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Let me bring you back to reality. YOU do not tell ME what to do. Got it? Yes, and your internet muscles are very scary



PS: Don't you have a newborn? Shouldn't you be a daddy? Instead of getting your narcissistic fix on a forum that has not banned you yet?? Ban me for what exactly? I didn't start up with anyone on this thread



You carry on the worst arguments ever. Bringing up Todd? Todd sells 22ple Yes, and why do you think he sells it?. How you can have an issue with Mark? because I can Have you ever been wrong in your life? no



Go spend time with your family I do. Time better spent I know. Trust me on that one why? Is there an HD logo on it?. You are making a fool out of me over and over.
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I fixed this for you. You're welcome
 
A gloss meter would put a definitive number to "how glossy theses coatings are". Its time to get Paul Dalton involved :P
 
Prep is the key, plus it doesn't really matter. You find something you like, use it. All these products will look fantastic.



jlb85 said:
A gloss meter would put a definitive number to "how glossy theses coatings are". Its time to get Paul Dalton involved :P
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Tom I was joking, as PD shows pictures of himself using the gloss meter but never any readings. In my understanding the gloss meter can even show a decrease in gloss after a wax is applied.



However, the meat and potatoes of this thread is which one of the coatings (OC, DLS, EXO) "looks" glossier. Only one way to know for sure.
 
I don't know about "glossier", but the difference in darkening/Richening between some of the coatings is night and day when side by side on black paint. Hydrophobic properties will vary too. They will all still look good though and on well prepped paint I doubt many clients would be able to see the difference in OC, EXO, or NuFinish!
 
I agree, Rasky! Heck, I bet most pros would have difficulty telling one car apart from another! I'm sure I could not tell the difference.



But, regarding the darkening, there are also color-meters, and are significantly cheaper than gloss meters or orange peel meters. I'm sure there are friction meters too!



Ninja Edit: link to friction meters, lol!

http://www.kett.com/productlines/prod10.aspx







Lets start a fund to start buying some equipment!! Imagine that write-up :P
 
You would be surprised what tests are out there for some of the coatings. Here is one with gloss readings. This is from a Tesla forum and apparently Glare polish was the glossiest..



"First, I’m going to remove all of the waxes and finishes on the car now. Then I’m going to divide up at least 4 separate test panels (perhaps as many as 8 depending on the number of products I end up testing). I’ll apply, following directions carefully, one product to each test panel.



Second, using a gloss meter (yes, such things do exist), immediately after application, I’ll take several measurements of the gloss of each panel. That will provide a reliable and scientific basis for comparing the gloss each product produces.



Third, for a period of two months I’ll take gloss measurements of the panels in intervals of two weeks. The measurements will be taken after the car has been washed. This should provide some reasonable comparative measure of the durability of the product (or at least its gloss, which is what most of us are concerned about). I’m going to test just the based paint sealants/polish, not the add-on sprays."



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgFCxifi7tLAdDFJRDFNZUV2aDZwVGQ5NEs2WXQ1b1E#gid=0
 
OC higher than 22PLE in initial gloss? Impossible. That stuff is just hawked by shameless business owners looking for personal gain. :behindsofa:
 
Greg Gellas said:
You would be surprised what tests are out there for some of the coatings. Here is one with gloss readings. This is from a Tesla forum and apparently Glare polish was the glossiest..



"First, I’m going to remove all of the waxes and finishes on the car now. Then I’m going to divide up at least 4 separate test panels (perhaps as many as 8 depending on the number of products I end up testing). I’ll apply, following directions carefully, one product to each test panel.



Second, using a gloss meter (yes, such things do exist), immediately after application, I’ll take several measurements of the gloss of each panel. That will provide a reliable and scientific basis for comparing the gloss each product produces.



Third, for a period of two months I’ll take gloss measurements of the panels in intervals of two weeks. The measurements will be taken after the car has been washed. This should provide some reasonable comparative measure of the durability of the product (or at least its gloss, which is what most of us are concerned about). I’m going to test just the based paint sealants/polish, not the add-on sprays."



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgFCxifi7tLAdDFJRDFNZUV2aDZwVGQ5NEs2WXQ1b1E#gid=0
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THAT is what I'm talking about!! I'm looking up the thread to read it more closely. Thank you for the link!
 
Scottwax said:
I have Opti-Coat on my own car, wash it 3-4 times a month with ONR wash and wax. It's extremely glossy.



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That's a magnificent photo Scott. Thanks for sharing.
 
Greg Gellas said:
You would be surprised what tests are out there for some of the coatings. Here is one with gloss readings. This is from a Tesla forum and apparently Glare polish was the glossiest..



"First, I’m going to remove all of the waxes and finishes on the car now. Then I’m going to divide up at least 4 separate test panels (perhaps as many as 8 depending on the number of products I end up testing). I’ll apply, following directions carefully, one product to each test panel.



Second, using a gloss meter (yes, such things do exist), immediately after application, I’ll take several measurements of the gloss of each panel. That will provide a reliable and scientific basis for comparing the gloss each product produces.



Third, for a period of two months I’ll take gloss measurements of the panels in intervals of two weeks. The measurements will be taken after the car has been washed. This should provide some reasonable comparative measure of the durability of the product (or at least its gloss, which is what most of us are concerned about). I’m going to test just the based paint sealants/polish, not the add-on sprays."



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgFCxifi7tLAdDFJRDFNZUV2aDZwVGQ5NEs2WXQ1b1E#gid=0
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I question the intent and experience of the person that did that review. Some of the comments and things he did makes him sound very inexperienced IMO.



Would love to see what David Fermani thinks of this comment the guy made...



IMHO, as they rely almost wholly on the subjective judgments of the reviewer, none of the online evaluations of the most highly-regarded products are worth a dime.
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I also don't feel a gloss meters matter much...regardless of the readings, you get 10 people standing next to the car looking at it, they will all have different options on which looks the best when the readings are that close at least. Why he topped OC2 with Poli-seal is beyond me.
 
Guitarist302008 said:
don't know but he uses "HD POLISH" lol.
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Guitarist, try to consider that professional detailers are probably making most (likely all) of their money on the quality of their results; not by sharing their experiences with particular products or brands.



Are you trying to hurt other peoples business by making accusations against them without any clear proof? Its basically slandering people
 
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